This is a discussion on Single-action revolvers for concealed carry? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by InspectorGadget As usual Sixto is dead on, it isn't the gun itself as much as it is the shooter. For a carry ...
I suspect the .45 Long Colt is probably a tad more effective than the .380 ACP in the Ruger LCP many folks here seem to carry, or the .38 Special out of a J-frame. To claim that using a .45 Long Colt would compromise your legal claims to self-defense is pretty ignorant. And to claim that a SA revolver isn't useful against an armed opponent shows a certain lack of historical perspective.SAs are really only viable against an armed opponent when using .44mag or larger and shooting when your opponent isn't expecting it (ie., isn't shooting back.) Kinda puts "SD" in a questionable light.
Folks here carry J-frames, Ruger LCPs, Seecamps, Rohrbaughs, and other sub-optimal solutions. Does that make them pretentious? I hardly think so.If you live in bear country, that changes things a bit; otherwise, if it isn't necessity-by-circumstance, its foolish pretension.
I'd take a 45LC over a .380 or .38spl anyday, the problem is finding a suitable pistol... I know they are out there, but I'd have to completly retrain for a SA platform, and I'm not willing to do that. Clearly the negatives out weigh the positives IMO.
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Historical perspective. Gatling (or the Frenchman, whomever you believe was first) and JMB offer historical perspective also. Capacity, reloading and rounds on-target. Whatever order one wishes to view the matter, these are what generally mean success in shooting.
As I said, unless required, there aren't any reasons to use SA in an urban-defensive setting. Joe Suburb, working his SA Ruger while facing Tupac's cousin with a Glock is pretty much in the same realm as discussing whether my Bugbear can whip your Green Slime. Maybe entertaining, but of exceedingly limited practical value.
Why would one choose a defensive arm with a restrictive manual of arms? Take a SA to LFI, SI, USSA, Tactical Shooting Academy or similar and run it. I never said one couldn't, I say it's unwise and naieve.
1) .44 magnum or larger
2) AND shooting from ambush
is unsupported by fact. And a bit of a red herring to the topic.
So good day to you.
(*)SAs are really only viable against an armed opponent when using .44mag or larger and shooting when your opponent isn't expecting it (ie., isn't shooting back.)
It boils down to training. I know for a fact my cowboy shootin buddy can/will mop the floor with the vast majority of double action shooters and is very capable of defending himself with a SA. Is it the best choice? For most of us, probably not. But for him, yeah, it is.
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This speaks to the axiom, "It ain't the tool it's the man behind the tool."
I agree 100% with SIXTO's buddy's logic, "...his theory is why carry something different that what he puts thousands of rounds through yearly?" Not to mention, he can probably out shoot the vast majority of guys with 'modern' guns.
I also agree with SIXTO, for most the SA is not the best choice - unless we're going to do a lot of training with the SA.
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I have a Ruger Blackhawk .41 mag. that lives in my truck. On the farm and my rural area it's great,it is too big to carry conceled, so when going to town and such, the cw9 or 38 get's the nod. As far as shooting fast, I don't do that with my Kahr cw9 or my S&W 38, hit'n what you're shoot'n at is more important than spray'n lead, at least to me. When I shoot a double action revolver, I shoot it single action almost all of the time and it doesn't slow up the aimed rate of fire that much. The biggest advantage a double action revolver has over a single action is in reloading, there I will give them a big edge.
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The first gun I carries concealed was a Single Action 44Mag with a 5inch barrel.
I carried it in a Kramer sholder holster. That is all I had other then a 22Mag single action and a 22lr double action. When I found a 1911 45acp I changed guns but still used the Kramer holster. I was pretty good with the single action at the time. That was 44 years ago.
Something to think about...
Since the average gunfight is settled in 3 shots, is the disadvantage of having only 6 shots in a gun really a disadvantage?
I have several single actions and a multitude of other type handguns. Sure there are "better guns" of self defense, for nothing other than rapid reloading capability or better concealed carry attributes.
But in the big scheme of things,if one is comfortable with a single action, is it really a disadvantage or is it just supposed?
I personally know of only one man that carries a Colt .45. Like others, he is an avid cowboy shooter. He is also a former Arkansas State Pistol champion with both single, double and semi class trophies that are too numerous to mention.
No one I know would engage him in a gunfight. Not only is he accurate, but he is very quick. He can shoot as fast or faster with his single action than many can with their semi's.
I wouldn't really consider him under gunned, or outclassed.
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