Internal laser sights, good or bad??

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    Internal laser sights, good or bad??

    I have heard mixed reviews about internal sight on Glocks and 1911's. Some people swear by them and then I have heard some peeps are having trouble with them getting off target after shooting with them for a while.
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    Springer - I think there are one or two folks here who have them or have tried them so - should be some direct feedback.

    I am CT all the way and swear by those, three on revo's and three on SIG's. Apart from a small parallax error, which is inevitable they do well - and for me, once set up do not change zero one bit.

    I am I guess too, less anamored of the integral types, partly because even in a small way they have to be integrated into the gun - and also - there is the switching issue - on my CT's it is ideal - master switch and then the pressure switch actuated when gun gripped - no fuss, they work good.

    Oh and yeah - I guess I am a bit biased!
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    I have a Lasremax in my G26. I like it, although I had to send it back once because it fell appart. Lasermax fixed it at no charge.

    I don't like the pulsing laser, solid is in my vie eaiser to see.
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    I have a Lasermax in my G23. and i absolutely love it. it is within 1/4" of the sights at 20 yds. adds nothing at all to the outside of the weapon. and the included replacement takedown latch/on-off switch is right under my trigger finger when indexed along the frame. it also makes it a little easier to get a hold of when removing the slide. only problem i ever had with it was when a friend dropped the slide on an empty gun, it stopped working that instant. Lasermax replaced it for me at half price since it was well beyond the warranty period. even gave me new batteries for it.

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    I've had both lasermax and CT.............in Glocks and Sigs.
    I prefer the Crimson Trace (CT) unit because the light doent's pulsate, and the batteries last longer on the CT as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry
    Springer - I think there are one or two folks here who have them or have tried them so - should be some direct feedback.

    I am CT all the way and swear by those, three on revo's and three on SIG's. Apart from a small parallax error, which is inevitable they do well - and for me, once set up do not change zero one bit.

    I am I guess too, less anamored of the integral types, partly because even in a small way they have to be integrated into the gun - and also - there is the switching issue - on my CT's it is ideal - master switch and then the pressure switch actuated when gun gripped - no fuss, they work good.

    Oh and yeah - I guess I am a bit biased!
    P95 - so the CTs use a pressure switch that activates when you hold the gun? That sounds much more convenient that the other sights that I've seen advertised. I don't have any experience with laser sights but was thinking about one for my SP 101. At the ranges that you'd use an SP 101 do you think they are worthwhile?

    And, if you don't mind, where did you buy yours and about how much do they cost?
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    LaserMax In A Glock 36

    Laser is Dead On The Money ~ No functioning problems...the on/off switch is quite small but, it works fine. Overall I like it.

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    CT all the way, esp for dry fire steadiness and point practice. I keep it switched off for carry (dead giveaway and a distraction) but would switch on to hold BG at laser point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyW
    P95 - so the CTs use a pressure switch that activates when you hold the gun? That sounds much more convenient that the other sights that I've seen advertised. I don't have any experience with laser sights but was thinking about one for my SP 101. At the ranges that you'd use an SP 101 do you think they are worthwhile?

    And, if you don't mind, where did you buy yours and about how much do they cost?
    Chris has so many pairs of CT;s were pretty sure he gets a big discount eve though he denys it

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    Maybe I'll have to ask him to pick me up a set and get that good deal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry
    Springer - I think there are one or two folks here who have them or have tried them so - should be some direct feedback.

    I am CT all the way and swear by those, three on revo's and three on SIG's. Apart from a small parallax error, which is inevitable they do well - and for me, once set up do not change zero one bit.

    I am I guess too, less anamored of the integral types, partly because even in a small way they have to be integrated into the gun - and also - there is the switching issue - on my CT's it is ideal - master switch and then the pressure switch actuated when gun gripped - no fuss, they work good.

    Oh and yeah - I guess I am a bit biased!
    I have CT's on two of my guns - wish they'd make them to fit my latest - S&W CS45. I asked when\if for that one - answer was no plans at present time. I wish some for another gun would fit the CS45 too.
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    Until recently, with Glocks, the only real choice was the LaserMax internal although you could find some that required substantial modification of the firearm and were affixed to the front of the trigger guard. I have both a G26 and 36 with the LaserMax and not had a bit of problem with them. Battery life is not great however. I have no issue between a pulsating laser and one that is constant but the brightness and distance at which the LaserMax is visable is not very impressive.

    With the recent advent of the Crimson Trace external grip lasers for Glocks, I think LaserMax sales will decrease. I tried the CTs on a G23 and was very impressed. They are brighter and best of all, adjustable, whereas the internal laser is not. The CT external laser in no way interfered with my grip on the G23 and was quite comfortable. It stays firmly affixed to the grip and quite frankly, I think they will prove to be a better choice. Their retail price is slightly under the comparable LaserMax as well.

    In response, I've read that LaserMax is going to be/is developing external units as direct competition with Crimson Trace products. If that's so, it's good for all of us because prices will come down like they did with night sights when multiple suppliers emerged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realtor
    ... The CT external laser in no way interfered with my grip on the G23 and was quite comfortable. It stays firmly affixed to the grip and quite frankly, I think they will prove to be a better choice. Their retail price is slightly under the comparable LaserMax as well....
    True, I have the CT on my 92F and actually it fits my had a bit better. However, I have a problem with it fitting ingo my holster.
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    I've had 5 CT's, 1 LaserMax, & 1 PocketSlipper(for a P3AT). CT is definitely more intuitive to use & easier to see. LaserMax used to say their laser pulsated to save batteries - - then CT came out & said they'd give free batteries if their's ever ran out (offer only lasted a year - just long enough to make the point). A CT on a J-frame takes it's accuracy from 3-yards to over 20-yards.

    No laser is much good in bright sunlight - - or when it doesn't work for any reason.... so keep practicing with iron sights.

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    I don't have an internal laser sight on any of my guns, but I have several that either attach to the rail or are made for a specific gun. My Bersa Ultra Compact 45 has a laser and holster that's made specifically for it (similar position as the internal laser, under the barrel). It's accurate, doesn't interfere with the gun and eliminates my having to actually aim the gun. I simply point, then line up the laser with where I want the bullet to hit. My avatar shows a target I used both my iron and laser sight on. The upper was the guns factory sight and the bottom with the laser. Notice the impact point are nearly identical at 30 feet. Below are links to the photos if you want a better look at the target or to see the gun.

    Having a laser doesn't mean you can quit using the iron sights. Laser's don't work in bright light and they can break or have the batteries quit. Like the scope on a rifle, they're an aid that helps make your shots easier and quicker, but they're no replacement for good marksmanship and practice.

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