Girlfriend's New Kahr PM9: Range Report

Girlfriend's New Kahr PM9: Range Report

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    Girlfriend's New Kahr PM9: Range Report

    I took my girlfriend down to the local shooting range and gave her a few guns to choose from for her early Christmas present . She looked at the Glock 26 and 27, the Kahr pm9 and pm40, and the S&W J frames. I tried to talk her into the .40, but ultimately settled on the 9mm. The place I bought the gun from also has an indoor shooting range, so we decided a break-in session was in order.

    The good:
    To my surprise, I was able to shoot tighter patterns with this little guy than I can with my Glock 27 with extended +0 mag. This gun has a much longer trigger pull than the glock 27, comparable to my S&W sigma 9mm, except much smoother. At 12 yards, my girlfriend (a novice shooter) was able to consistantly put 6/7 rounds in the center orange section of the silohette target. Recoil was less harsh than my glock 27, and about the same as my sigma. I was pleasantly surprised by how managable the gun was, even in my girlfriend's hands (5'5", 115lbs).

    Ok,... the bad:
    The 6th round FTE, followed by the 8th, 9th, 13th, 14th. Overall, out of the first 40 rounds, 20 malfunctioned. Forgive my lack of knowledge on proper terms, but several times, the gun would not fire the round in the chamber (winchester white box), and racking the slide back wouldn't eject the live round. After battling these problems, after about 40 rounds, the gun simply would not fire anymore. A gunsmith on site wasn't able to disassemble the gun, as something had broken off, or become lodged internally. Needless to say, my girlfriend was not impressed with the initial reliability of this gun. Over 500 rounds through my new glock, and nearly 1000 rounds through my sigma without a single malfunction. After inspection by the gunsmith, it appears that a piece of the primer became lodged around the firing pin. A Kahr specialist is supposed to come by tomorrow to check it out. I'm aware of the advised break-in period for these guns, but this gun will require a little more attention.

    The guys at the gun range were very helpful, and knowlegdable, and eased my mind with their efforts to find a solution to my problem with the gun. Customer service makes all the difference.

    While we were waiting for the pm9 to be repaired, we were given a pm40 to shoot. Whoa, whole different animal. I must admit that this would have been the wrong choice for my girlfriend. Niether of us were able to achieve the same accuracy that we had attained with the PM9. Recoil was much more noticable, although not rediculous. The PM9 was such a sweet shooting gun that I don't have any regrets about not going with the larger cartrige of the PM40. My girlfirend was excited when we left the range, and asked me about what was involved with acquiring a CCW permit. Made my day.



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    Congrats on the purchase & the heighten'd intrest of your girlfriend
    Dont worry about the PM9 they will correct the problem, I speak very highly of Kahr's PM series as I carry a PM45 & my wife (about 5'9 120) carries the PM9. They have proven to be great gun's & are extremely easy to shoot despite there small size & our's have been very reliable. Only a few FTF's ever & that was after extensive firing, which happened to be with Winchestor white box as well.
    Just tell her to be patient they will fix it & she will love it, the PM9 is the perfect choice for edc especially for petite women
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    Hope all works out well with your gun..sucks right out of the hole to have that happen, but, best place I guess for it. Small guns, big calibers sometimes don't mix for some shooters.
    My wife, 5', 130lbs shoots my 45's and 40's like a champ, actually loves them. She shoots a Sig P239 and a S&W 642, which are her guns. She picked them and is indeed very capable with them.
    Nice to have a significant other involved with your interests and takes self defense to heart. Luck.
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    It sounds as if its a ammo problem, not a gun problem. And yes, the PM9 is a lot easier of a gun to shoot than the same in 40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    It sounds as if its a ammo problem, not a gun problem....
    Nah. I've shot at least 500 rounds of WWB through mine, nary a hiccup. If gun is locked up, something has broken.
    ANY gun should fire standard ball ammo.

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    A Kahr expert is going to look at it tomorrow evening. I certainly hope it's an ammo problem. I'm not really worried about it, as getting a properly working weapon should be the easy part. More importantly, my girlfriend has taken an interest in getting her CCW!! I could care less about the gun at this point

    She liked the way the gun felt, and just called me a few minutes ago to tell me how excited she was to find a weapon that was easily concealable, powerful, and..........cute (as she put it). Hopefully the guys down at the range will fix whatever the problem may have been. Hopefully this gun will take the white box ammo, cause I bought a bunch of it.

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    Back about 5 years ago I bought 4 WWB and 1 WWB Winclean, didn't have a problem w/ WWB but had pieces of brass break off on 3 rounds in the one box of Winclean. Didn't stop the gun from working but one of the pieces hit me in the face. Never bought another box of winclean! I still use WWB at the range on occasion, and have never had another problem since. And I won't use Winchester ammo for carry. Guess I'm a bit paranoid gut I've never had any problems w/ Speer gold dots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhShoot View Post
    Nah. I've shot at least 500 rounds of WWB through mine, nary a hiccup. If gun is locked up, something has broken.
    ANY gun should fire standard ball ammo.

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    You're right, but the primer shouldnt shatter lodging pieces of itself into the gun. I don't think its a WWB huge problem, but just a bad piece of ammo provided what the OP had said about the problem so far. Judging from that limited info, it is most certainly a ammo problem.
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    Congrats on your girlfriend's Kahr PM9! I am sorry to hear you are having some problems with it. What is the partial serial number (example: IA17xx)? I have had no trouble with WWB or Remington UMC as far as ball ammo, except for one round of UMC that had a crimped case.

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    Congrats on your purchase for your girlfriend. I think this will work itself out.

    My first Kahr PM9 was a dog, also. I experienced many failure to feed problems and repeated failure to return to battery. Kahr customer service was friendly but without a good fix. I eventually traded it away after these problems were continuing after at least 450 rounds.

    My second PM9 was a different animal. I super cleaned and lubed the gun before going to the range and it paid off. A liberal amount of lube on the rails is essential for proper cycling with Kahr polymer guns. I now have about 500 rounds fired without a problem.

    After your technical issue with the ammo primer is resolved, I recommend you completely disassemble the gun and lube everything. Pay special attention to the rails making sure they are spotless. I'm sure it will pay off.

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    These polymers are a different beast, but once they are up and running, its hard to stop'em. Hang in there, and congrats on the g/f's attitude. you got it made now !
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    I just got a PM9 a couple of weeks ago and ran 100 rounds of Winchester white box through it without one hiccup. Then I ran 100 rounds of Remington UMC yellow box through it and the only trouble I had was when inserting a full mag with a closed slide, then trying to rack and release the slide to chamber the first round, the round was getting hung up on the feed ramp and would take some fiddling to get it to feed up. This happened on a few consecutive mags, then went away. But with 200 rounds through it so far, I have not had any failure to fires, or failure to feeds once the first round was in the chamber. Been working pretty smoothly for me so far for the break in period.

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    After inspection by the gunsmith, it appears that a piece of the primer became lodged around the firing pin.
    If this turns out to be what caused the problem, I wouldn't worry about the gun, or using the WWB for practice. Faulty ammo happens, no way to tell what caused it. Just a reminder, as you load your magazines give the rounds a quick once over looking for abnormality's.
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    Before reloading I used a ton of WWB from Wal Mart and the only issues I had were with using the .45 in moonclips.

    If you are not reloading I would also suggest you try CCI Blazer aluminuim cases which Wal Mart has cheaper than WWB and I feel is a better cartridge. You can also save more by ordering cases from Natchez.
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    I had a problem with an AR15 about 3 yrs ago,I was shooting reloads I bought on the internet from a reloader and all of a sudden the trigger locked up and wouldn't pull,so I popped it open after clearing the gun and lo and behold there were about 10 spent primers in the lower receiver around the trigger group,apparently the primer pocket on the reloads was loose enough that the primers were blowing out of the cases when fired,I actually had to remove the hammer and trigger to get them all out.
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