Having some issues with my PM9

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    Quote Originally Posted by hihosilver View Post
    UMC is what I always use at the range. Try some WWBox. If they all shoot fine, and your carry ammo shoots fine, I would just keep shooting the UMC(since you have a butltload), and if you have a FTfire, save them and retry them. You at least field strip it when you clean it, right? Wasnt sure what you meant by saying you havnt taken it apart to clean it. So what do you guys use for range ammo if not UMC or WWB?
    Lately I've been shooting S&B and Fiocchi. I used to be able to get Speer cheap.
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    Yeah I field strip it everytime I sue it.. Ive never detail striped it(taking out the firing pin, etc).

    Ill grab some WWB and fire off a hundred.

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    Too bad you can't compare the primer strike to another of the same ammo from the same gun (should try to save some of it, might want to reload some day!). I bet they look identical. First picture is clearer for me than the second (does your camera have a macro setting? It's the little plant icon).

    I would have just as much confidence in the gun as you did before, unless the same trouble manifests itself with another brand of ammo. OTOH, I have zero confidence in UMC (but like Sixto's take on training with it). I usually use WWB. Which reminds me... I really need to get to the range and burn another 100rds in my PM9!
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    Forgot to add. Of all my FTF bullets, I ran them all back thru except the one I kept and they fired... so the bullets werent complete duds. This help resolve anything?

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    I have an MK9, and although I've been lucky enough to not have any serious problems, I did completely tear it down one day. I was surprised at the amount of brass shavings that had made their way into the firing pin channel. I think it might be possible that if I hadn't cleaned it, in time, it could have caused some problems with the firing pin.

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    Detail strip it, clean it, report back.

    p.s. for those who like figuring out how things work, it's great to finally see how all the parts fit together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lock View Post
    Forgot to add. Of all my FTF bullets, I ran them all back thru except the one I kept and they fired... so the bullets werent complete duds. This help resolve anything?
    Sounds like light primer strikes from your Kahr. Also the macro setting suggestion for your camera should help for much clearer pics in the future.
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    Lock,
    If you've lost confidence in the gun, I'd be more than happy to give you a $100.00 for it. Heck, I'll even pay the shipping.

    I would never lose confidence in a firearm that had issues with one particular brand of cheap range ammo. If the gun works consistently with quality, SD ammo, I'd trust my life to it. As others have said, the UMC stuff is at the bottom of the pile for quality. Yes, I've shot hundreds of rounds of it and very few problems but when I do, I know where to place the blame.

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    I'm going to suggest a detail strip and a good cleaning of the slide, especially the striker. If you don't typically do it, see the local gunsmith, but I would get it done for sure.

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    I had the same problem with my CW9. Over on Glock Talk Home there is a forum for Kahr. On it there is information on how to detail strip the slide. I did this and cleaned the firing pin/striker channel and the problem was solved.

    If you don't want to strip the slide there is another way, but not as detailed. Remove the slide. Near the fp spring/striker you will see a little hole. I use my thumb to pull the fp spring back and spray non-chlorinated brake cleaner [with the straw attachment] in the little hole. Brake cleaner will shoot out of both ends so you may want to do this outside. You'll be suprised at the crap that comes out. Now dry it with some compressed air. [canned computer air]

    Sorry that I can't post a direct link to the detail strip on glocktalk, but I'm not as computer savy as you younger guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpetop View Post
    Sorry that I can't post a direct link to the detail strip on glocktalk, but I'm not as computer savy as you younger guys.
    What a great resource, thanks!

    Click here for a link to the PDF.

    If that doesn't work, this link points to the thread (but for some strange reason, the PDF link doesn't appear until several posts down...)
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    I too think that it is a ammo problem. I would suggest that you fire about 100 rounds of your self defense ammo through the gun and if you do not get any FTF's, I would say that would help prove the issue and thus should renew your trust in your firearm. Then you could still shoot the UMC practice ammo at the range and if you get any more FTF's, you can practice clearing your firearm quickly. That would be exellent practice since you have no idea when it will happen.
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    ooh great link. I like tearing things apart. Ill gut her, clean her and give her another shot. thanks for the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellerblr View Post
    I have an MK9, and although I've been lucky enough to not have any serious problems, I did completely tear it down one day. I was surprised at the amount of brass shavings that had made their way into the firing pin channel. I think it might be possible that if I hadn't cleaned it, in time, it could have caused some problems with the firing pin.
    Brass shavings are not a normal condition, check the bottom of your slide at the face of the breach block, it should have a radius not a sharp edge. If it has an edge you can take it down with a common file.

    Just so you understand what is happing, when the slide picks up a new cartridge from the magazine on its way to the barrel the next cartridge in the magazine pops up and comes in contact with the slide. If the slide has a sharp edge on it will cause it to shave brass.

    If you fire a round and then take out the magazine you will be able to see a scrape on the cartridge that is next in line to be fired. That is where the brass is coming from.

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    Question same issue with a twist

    ok so I have been to the range a few times with my new Sig p250 and had a similar issue. Rather than start a new thread I thought I'd piggyback this one since the advice may be similar...

    The twist is that the FTFs have been with Cor Bon 115gr +P JHP and Cor Bon DPX. That's supposed to be premium stuff! Yet I have had 3 FTFs in under 100 rounds, and NO failures of any kind with my wolf plinking FMJs. All 3 appear to be light primer strikes, although the 1 DPX round that FTF'ed continued to FTF after reloading it and trying again. just "click click click". Must have been a very expensive dud.

    So what do y'all think? I'm going to switch to speer GDHP and see if Iget the same issue, but I'm starting to feel a little nervous about the weapon. Any ideas?

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    Simple formula:

    Failures with multiple brands/types of ammunition, look to the gun for the problem.

    Failures with only one specific brand/type of ammunition, look to the ammo for the problem.

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