.38 Special vs. .357 in Snubby
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January 29th, 2009 10:36 PM
I got rid of a 642 for a Kahr MK9 but now I miss the way the j-frame carried in a pocket holster. Especially the easy fast draw.
I carried speer short barrel 38+p and practiced with it until I could easily hit the 50 yard sillouette at our range.
I am now torn between getting another 642 or the m&p 340, should have never let it go in the first place.
Here are the numbers from speer for their gold dot short barrel loads:
38 special +p 135g
velocity in feet per second: muzzle: 860 25yrds: 838
Energy in foot pounds: muzzle: 222 25yrds: 211
357 magnum 135g
velocity in feet per second: muzzle: 990 25yrds: 957
Energy in foot pounds: muzzle: 294 25yrds: 275
*Also, I have never tried the double tap speer gold dot 38+p 125g, but they claim:
velocity: 1.875" bbl S&W - 1100fps and muzzle energy: 336 ft. lbs. from 1.875" bbl
Last edited by me540; January 30th, 2009 at 12:35 AM.
January 30th, 2009 10:54 AM
That's correct, Hoss, and why we included photos of the actual boxes used - so that if anyone had any questions, they could look for themselves.
Originally Posted by cvhoss
And yeah, the .357 mag clearly outperforms the .38 even with really short barrels. That said, I have a 642 in my pocket right now . . .
January 30th, 2009 11:42 AM
My wife practices with and confidently carries a S&W 642 with CT grips...it's a great little piece (15 ounces empty) at a reasonable price. Link it up with a good pocket holster like the Mika and you've got a great rig.
"It's a big gun when I carry it, it is also a big gun when I take it out” – Clint Smith
January 30th, 2009 12:41 PM
OP mentioned S&W models. Taurus is a good gun maker. I'm snobbish about firearm manufacturers I would carry everyday (esp being punished by .357 mag out of a light small frame). Taurus does not have the same quality of firearm as a S&W. If it was a revolver, I would go (not in order, just who I would consider) Ruger, Colt, S&W...IMHO.
Originally Posted by johnsonabq
S&W 642 (no-lock) with .38 Spl +P 135 GR Gold GDHP
Glock G31 & G33 with .357 Sig 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger
January 30th, 2009 12:54 PM
In a snubby, 357 might be a bit much, but maybe that is just me. I tried one of the 2 inch guns with .357, and the recoil was quite harsh, hard to keep on target compared to others I have shot.
January 30th, 2009 02:50 PM
I would not get a .357 in a lightweight snubby. I fired a .357 in a Taurus lightweight and one shot was enough.
However, with my 640 or M60 3" and Pachmayr rubber grips I do not find it punishing for 20 rounds or so. A .357 is just not fun to shoot in even a M19 for many of us. I handload reduced loads that exceed .38 Spl and they do OK in my snubbys.
But no way would I get a LW .357.
January 31st, 2009 11:01 AM
That double the cost is not comparing equally equipped guns.
Originally Posted by bgglock
1) $688 = 340 M&P . This comes with XS Night Sights
2) $542 = (642 @ $442) + (XS Night Sight @ $100)
the difference is smaller when going to the CT version of the M&P
1) $883 = 340 M&P CT. Comes with night sights and CT LG405 grips
2) $775 = (642 @ $442)+ (Night sight @ $100) + (LG405 @ $233)
Difference = $108 (I didn't use the 642 w/factory CT's because they are a different and much larger model.
I like both night sights and laser grips and I think a $100 premium to be able to shoot .357 is not bad. If you reload and have other .357s already this keeps things simple.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.-H. L. Mencken
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