S&W Internal Lock Fix

S&W Internal Lock Fix

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    S&W Internal Lock Fix

    You're probably thinking another lock bashing thread, but it's not. Check out this link on the S&W Forum on an innovative fix to the lock hole once removed. The guy has it patented but is allowing free reign to make them, if you can.

    If anyone can make them I'll buy one.
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    I don't understand why folks would do this.

    I already have a better fix, I DON'T BUY SAFETY WESSON INTERNAL LOCK REVOLVERS!

    No reason to. There are still plenty of real S&W revolvers without that crap in them, on the market.

    If I wanted to spend too much money on a handgun, just to take it apart and remove and tweak parts to get it to run, or make it reliable......I'd buy a Kimber. Regards 18DAI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18DAI View Post
    I don't understand why folks would do this.

    I already have a better fix, I DON'T BUY SAFETY WESSON INTERNAL LOCK REVOLVERS!

    No reason to. There are still plenty of real S&W revolvers without that crap in them, on the market.

    If I wanted to spend too much money on a handgun, just to take it apart and remove and tweak parts to get it to run, or make it reliable......I'd buy a Kimber. Regards 18DAI.
    Or leave it the hell alone and shoot only factory ammo that is above the recommended 125gr (on the 340PD). I've seen more people buy J-Frames and have no issue with the internal lock than people who have had a problem. Shooting quite a bit as well, no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi.45 View Post
    If anyone can make them I'll buy one.
    +1 to that. I'd buy one as well

    Thanks for sharing that link, semperfi. Was an interesting read.
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    I am leaving mine alone. I shoot it a lot.(for a snubbie, 100 rounds a week) You can pull it apart and just grind the edge off the lock mechanism if worried about it. Then it looks like the lock is still installed, but does not lock. I have thought of it, but I have never had an issue.
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    Do we have a substantial numbers of documented cases where the lock caused a FTF ?
    My wife's .357 scandium has one of these locks ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    Do we have a substantial numbers of documented cases where the lock caused a FTF ?
    My wife's .357 scandium has one of these locks ...
    That is not the real question. The important question is do you want to be the documented case where it fails when you need it?

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    I will have to say that this plug kit sure is a neat idea. I'll have to give that guy credit. Personally I think it would look good and work well! I'm surprise there aren't more custom shops offering something similar.

    I doubt that the lock represents too much of a real risk but still, I chose to avoid it buy purchasing a new "no lock" 642 and I have a pre lock 60-12 on layaway. It's basically the identical twin to the 637 only in all stainless and without the lock.

    I wish I had more time and skill to attempt these types of projects...

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    Thanks for this info. A friend of mine has been looking exactly for something like this.
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    I've heard tales of two cases in which the lock engaged when it was a shouldn't-happen situation. In one of those cases, it was related to an incident in which someone thought shooting would be required, but it turned out ok except for the lock having been engaged. There's an itty-bitty spring that keeps the cam in place when disengaged, but in theory a good jolt could set the lock, by overcoming that little spring's pressure.

    My observation is that with all the guns sold, if it were really a problem, we'd have heard about some lawsuits. Secondly, with all the complaints, my impression (based on my own comparison of guns I've bought that have the lock), earlier locks are kind of weak and susceptible of failure, but later ones are derned tight and I have complete confidence in them. In the older ones, I just pulled that cam out, along with it's little spring, with a pair of needle nosed pliers, and stuck 'em in a plastic bag labeled with a description of the contents. I couldn't care less how it looks on the outside.

    And with the newer guns, I use the key to set it in the unlocked position and then put the key in a safe place (often safe even from me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    That is not the real question. The important question is do you want to be the documented case where it fails when you need it?
    That's like saying Your Glock broke and then word gets around the net. Sure it can happen, but how often is it reality? I don't worry about such things, if you do you'll end up living in a plastic bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrdredd View Post
    Or leave it the hell alone and shoot only factory ammo that is above the recommended 125gr (on the 340PD). I've seen more people buy J-Frames and have no issue with the internal lock than people who have had a problem. Shooting quite a bit as well, no problem.
    I'm one, mine (model 60-14) has no issues. It's been dropped, hundreds of rounds through it.

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    I've had a 686 for a couple of years and never gave the lock a second thought. Like anything else...if you look hard enough on the internet you can find something to support darn near any point you want to make. Look at all of the drama associated with the Glocks when they had that Kaboom issue..still they are one of the best selling handguns on the market. In my opinion this is much ado about nothing.

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    I thought that was interesting. Not sure how many average folks could make a "home project" out of that though.
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