Old Colt, my first

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamWallace View Post
    Man, I could have saved you all a lot of time if I had said what I meant about the extractor... I didn't mean to say stainless steel, I only meant that it was in fact, not blued, as I originally thought it was due to the color.
    Naw... it was a good discussion. It could be SS for all we know!

    Shoot it. See what it does. I bet its fine like it is. It was designed to be a authentic looking copy of the GI so it should look like it does. Its a Colt!

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    Good looking 91A.

    If you are planning to return her back to stock, you will need a long trigger also, and Cylinder & Slide Inc. is the only company I know of currently offering spring steel extractors, Colt hasn't used them in years.


    I think I will Melonite the slide and bead blast the frame. I have always loved the reverse two tone look.
    Actually, blue over silver isn't reverse two tone , it's the original, silver over blue is reversed.

    They looked similar to this;

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD View Post
    Good looking 91A.

    ...and Cylinder & Slide Inc. is the only company I know of currently offering spring steel extractors, Colt has used them in years.
    That is indeed where I got mine. Do you know if Colt is still using spring steel in the latest guns or not? I had heard MIM now. So I replaced my Defender with a C&S but wonder if the one I took out might have been. I still have it as a spare... can't tell though by looking at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    That is indeed where I got mine. Do you know if Colt is still using spring steel in the latest guns or not? I had heard MIM now. So I replaced my Defender with a C&S but wonder if the one I took out might have been. I still have it as a spare... can't tell though by looking at it.
    I apologize for the misspelling, that should have read "Colt hasn't used them in years."

    Colt did experiment with using MIM extractors around 2001/2002 but found it isn't a wise choice. They then returned to using extractors machined from bar stock. An easy way to tell if your Colt extractor is MIM, it will have a sprue mark on the end.


    MIM - Barstock
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    Nice Colt, looks in great shape!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD View Post
    I apologies for the misspelling, that should have read "Colt hasn't used them in years."

    Colt did experiment with using MIM extractors around 2001/2002 but found it isn't a wise choice. They then returned to using extractors machined from bar stock. An easy way to tell if your Colt extractor is MIM, it will have a sprue mark on the end.


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    Thanks. Will have to look again then. Might just have a good spare.

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    You're welcome, Sir.
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    I do know that Springfield seems to be still using them. First thing I changed out on that one was to a C&S spring steel. Made all the difference I think. The one that came in the gun was not tuned properly anyway. I was able to get it tuned just before changing it out though. Some Monkey had to have bent that one oddly. So I didn't trust it. But, after that, the thing is flawless.

    Do you have any experience with Cylinder and Slides trigger tuning kits? And or their work? I was considering sending that Springfield to them for a total Mimectomy of sorts.

    Also, if you don't mind, are there any other particular parts Colt is using that are suspect and should be changed out? New production I mean.

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    Ok, guys, since there are so many in this thread who seem to know a lot about 1911s, I have a safety question.

    I was over on the 1911 forums reading a thread about home trigger jobs and how one could create a very unsafe weapon by not knowing what they are doing. This has me concerned. I know nothing about what was done to this gun except that there was an aftermarket trigger installed, which suggests that at least part of the trigger group was toyed with. How do I know how much was messed with? How do I find out if things were cut down or anything? Would it be wise to tear the thing down to its components and post some pics for people to gasp at? Will a series of function tests be all I need to do to know it is ok?

    Or do like one gentleman said and just shoot it? This will be a carry piece, so I need to know it is ok...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    I do know that Springfield seems to be still using them. First thing I changed out on that one was to a C&S spring steel. Made all the difference I think. The one that came in the gun was not tuned properly anyway. I was able to get it tuned just before changing it out though. Some Monkey had to have bent that one oddly. So I didn't trust it. But, after that, the thing is flawless.
    I did something similar with a Springer GI WWII,

    1) Replaced cast sear with a Colt's.
    2) Replaced cast disconnector with a Colt's.
    3) Replaced cast slide stop with a Colt's.
    4) Replaced the small hammer with a Series 80 Colt's.
    5) Replaced titanium firing pin with a steel ED Brown.
    6) Replaced cast firing pin stop with an EGW flat based.
    7) Replaced MIM extractor with a King's Extractor (didn't have a C&S handy).
    8) Replaced trigger with a machined one piece, checkered USGI.
    9) Replaced cast thumb safety with a USGI.
    10) Replaced the ILS mainspring housing with a late war 8 rib Remington-Rand.
    11) Replaced the baby poop brown stocks with a set of late W.W.II Ithaca's, made by Keyes Fibre Co.


    Do you have any experience with Cylinder and Slides trigger tuning kits? And or their work? I was considering sending that Springfield to them for a total Mimectomy of sorts.
    Yes and no.
    Not in my personal weapons but I do have a couple buddies the swear by the C&S drop-in hammers and sears. They truly did make a heck of a difference in their pistols.

    Also, if you don't mind, are there any other particular parts Colt is using that are suspect and should be changed out? New production I mean.
    The current parts materials in Colt's,

    MIM
    sear
    disconnector
    (Colt actually knows how to make quality MIM parts)

    CAST
    Thumb safety
    grip safety
    mag catch

    FORGED
    slide
    receiver
    barrel
    slide stop

    MACHINED from bar stock
    hammer
    all pins
    bbl link
    bbl bushing
    trigger finger piece
    ejector
    firing pin
    firing pin stop
    extractor
    plunger tube
    guide rod
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamWallace View Post
    How do I know how much was messed with?
    That is difficult, if you are a novice to the 1911 platform.

    How do I find out if things were cut down or anything?
    If you know someone with experience in the 1911, have them look at it for you.

    Would it be wise to tear the thing down to its components and post some pics for people to gasp at?
    Couldn't hurt.

    Or do like one gentleman said and just shoot it? This will be a carry piece, so I need to know it is ok...
    If you have some place you can do so safely.
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