This is a discussion on whats a better BUG? j frame or kel-tec p3at 380 within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; The J frames are the best revolver bug on the market bar none and a far better gun in general than anything made by Kel ...
The J frames are the best revolver bug on the market bar none and a far better gun in general than anything made by Kel Tec. Comparing a revo and a semi are compairing apples to oranges in many ways but as far as quality, the Smith is in a totally different class than KT. It this case you truely get what you pay for.
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S&W 642 Airweight, Ruger SP 101, Colt Detective Spec., CZ RAMI, Kahr PM9, Kahr CW40, S&W Model 10-7, Glock 30, 19, and 26, Browning Hi Power, CZ82, Colt Commander, Dan Wesson PM7, Ruger LCP
EDC's Colt Defender 45 acp and S&W 442 .38
Springfield XD 45 acp
Ruger Super RedHawk .44 mag
mossberg 590 12 gauge tactical
Sounds like you have already made up your mind if your not happy with it. I dont see the wheel gun making a good pocket caryy though. Unless you have huge pockets.
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AFAIC that would be dependent on how small and lightweight you need. The J frame .38 special have served people well as a BUG or primary for decades. It is a great gun and a decent caliber. I often carry a SP-101 .357 mag as a BUG.
If your requirements necessitate something even smaller and lighter weight than that, and for some people, their needs do, then go with the keltec or a Ruger LCP.
You will, in all practicality be stepping down a notch in caliber, but with today's current hi-performance .380 SD ammo, I feel it is at least adequate. I have a Ruger LCP and it is for use as a BUG or used if I carry 3 guns.
I'm not comfortable with a .380 as a primary unless I absolutely need a mouse gun for extreme discretion. Otherwise I would go with a snubby as a minimum primary.
One other consideration is if you have to shoot through your pocket with your BUG! A semi-auto has a high probability of only giving you one shot before the constraints of the pocket causes a stoppage. Usually a "stove pipe" or even material caught in the slide. With a revolver, while there is a possibility of material getting bound up in the cylinder or snagged in the hammer, you are more likely to be able to get more than one shot before such a stoppage happens, if it happens at all. You have a good chance of shooting all 5 rounds. Revolvers have better mechanics if you have to shoot through your pocket.
Bottom line... A J-Frame .38 is good for a BUG or a Primary where as a .380 is good as a BUG and not great at all for a Primary weapon or shooting through your pocket.
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Oh what an easy question, do you prefer something sexy like this:
or some ugly bottom feeder?
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I'd always take a .38, .38 +P or .357 over a .380 and I prefer a J frame myself. A revolver is less likely to malfunction too. That's just my thinking.
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Just my opinion but if weight is not an issue, J-Frame. If it is, and it is in my case, I carry a LCP with Hornady CD. Quiet comfortable in a Don Hume 001.
I just picked up a P3AT yesterday after carrying a Glock 19 everyday for the past few months. I absolutely love my P3AT!!! it's so light and thin, I really don't notice it in my back pocket at all. I have never carried a snubbie, (I do want one) but I think the slim auto is best for maximum concealment and comfort.
Just wondering if you are going to carry your Glock 19 anymore now that you have the P3AT? I have been thinking about getting a Glock 19 because of the extra rounds (15). I do like my two carry weapons (see signature) but wanted your opnion on the Glock 19 as an everyday carry.
Glock 19 /CT Laser
Glock 26 /CT Laser
Kel Tec P3AT .380/CT Laser
Love my 19, it's just hard for me to conceal in warmer weather until my K&D holster comes in. The 19 is my primary carry. the P3AT is for those times when I would otherwise leave the 19 at home or in the truck. I do feel a little more secure with 16 rounds of 9mm +p JHP, but 7 of .380 is (hopefully) more than anyone would ever need.
I have been contemplating dumping the 19 for a 17 for house/range, and a 26 for primary carry.
Sorry for the thread-jack,
I vote for the Kel Tec as it's slim and easy to use as a BUG.
I've got both (plus just bought a Ruger LCP).
The P3AT is (for me) the only gun I can carry in a pants pocket and much better than no gun.
My 442 S&W has a Barami hip grip, is Mag-na-ported and requires an untucked shirt.
The best compromise is to have both.
I think if you are going to ankle carry your BUG, then the J Frame 642 would be my choice. To slip the J Frame into a pants pocket is a bit bulky, although it's very lightweight. I carry G26 as primary and 642 on ankle. JMHO
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