April 6th, 2009 11:41 PM
Why do you carry what you carry?
I picked up my pistol permits today and have decided on what I going to carry first. I have been in this process since December and have given a lot of thought to the subject and I think I have struck upon what is perfect for me. Obviously YMMV.
My requirements were...
1) 9mm - Affordable to shoot so that I could practice regularly, large enough to do the job, enough kick in the chosen pistol to learn from, but not too much that shot placement should be effected.
2) Manual safety - I have 2 small children and I want it to be harder than a Kahr to fire.
3) Common platform - The manual of arms has to be available in different sizes and caliber to allow for future choice. (e.g. Sig, Glock, Kahr, 3rd gen S&W, a revolver)
4) Predictable - It has to fire the same way every time, no DA/SA
5) Size - Must be thin, no double stack
6) Jua de Vive - It has to be something I am proud to carry. No glocks, don't like the image they create in peoples heads, they are ugly and they don't have hammers, no Kahrs for the same reasons, no Bersa's, no XD's, no Walther's either.
7) Second strike capability - In case I forget tap and rack when the time comes.
As far as I am concerned this left me with but a few choices...
1) 3-4" 1911
2) Sig p239 DAK
3) S&W 3913
Each of these is missing something though.
The 1911 has no second strike, the Sig has no manual safety, and the 3913 has a stupid safety unlike any other and is SA/DA.
I have decided on a 1911 (Kimber Ultra Carry), While the cocked and locked is a problem for some, I think the grip safety makes that a non-issue for me (I wouldn't carry one without it).
My runner up would be the p239 in .40 cal with a replacement barrel and mags. The deciding factor for me was the no .45 cal, the importance to me of a safety, and the history of the 1911.
Obviously this was a long post about my decision makeing, but some recent threads got me thinking about other s how make this decision is made... for example I picture other groups like.
- Stereo typical Glock owners: I wanted a gun that goes bang every time period. Only decision was caliber.
- Stereo typical Kahr owners: I wanted bigger than a 380 and safety's suck.
- Stereo typical Revolver owners: Glock's have too many parts and I trust metal.
- Stereo typical LCP owners: It is worthless if you don't carry it.
What did your thought process look like?
April 6th, 2009 11:51 PM
I'm the first in your last scenario. I knew the Glock to be reliable. I selected the 357 SIG because I'm having an easier time finding ammo when buying online, not to mention the higher velocity with still very minimal recoil. The second I pulled the trigger, I knew I made the right decision. At the end of the day it's all subjective and it's important to trust and love the piece you've chosen to trust your life to.
April 7th, 2009 12:14 AM
My thought process was more along the lines of, 5" 1911's in .45 have been doing the job well for darn near a century, I shoot them well, and have practiced enough that the muscle memory to disengage the thumb safety is now firmly ingrained.
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April 7th, 2009 12:26 AM
It's a shame to carry a 1911 and not take advantage of the very effective .45. I think the 3" barrel should be outlawed for all it's weaknesses.
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April 7th, 2009 12:52 AM
One simple, Two No safety other then your training, Three able to penetrate a car door and still hit the target and be effective, Four durable as you can get, Five familiar controls.
After going through that check list I was left with one weapon really Sig P220 .45, Or a Glock 21 .45. I went with the Sig because I grew up shooting them.......and every glock except one has felt wrong in my hand.
April 7th, 2009 01:10 AM
I'm mostly DAO. I'm a big Sig Fan. I can't tell you how much I like my Sig P250. Compact. For a great summer pocket pistol though, the Walther PPS for DC is my choice. It is only one inch wide, easily concealable and has advanced features making any manual safety features obsolete. 9mm or .40.
Originally Posted by NC Buckeye
It is very accurate and well built. I have never had a mis-fire.
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April 7th, 2009 06:06 AM
My only real criteria is that it is reliable, comfortable enough that I will carry it and I shoot it well. Safety concerns are mostly my responsibility and my kids do not have access to my guns.
April 7th, 2009 06:39 AM
Decided I did not want to become a victim like those around me.
Started out with a Baretta...darn gun shop salesmen.
Took several multi-day SD pistol courses during that first year with a sidearm and CCW permit. It was during the 'courses' that many of the 'what to carry' questions and 'when should I shoot' questions became much more clear for me.
I headed into the 1911 and Glock directions...a Kimber has now been my EDC for over 7 years...
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April 7th, 2009 08:21 AM
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April 7th, 2009 09:07 AM
P229 is my usual daily CC and uniformed police duty pistol, a personal purchase, guided by an "approved" list of DA .40 autoloaders. I chose DAK, an option I have, which keeps the pull consistent. The P229 is a truly great CC pistol, and it is quite possible I will never switch to another autoloading pistol, even after I am retired and can carry what I want.
If not constrained my PD policy, it is possible that my Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special would be my carry autopistol. Actually, I can still carry a 1911 on my own time if I wish, but I choose to train with one trigger system, and learn it well, rather than mix trigger systems. I used 1911s off and on from 1984 to 2002 for CC and police duty. From Detonics to Colts to Wilsons to Baers, I learned to avoid any 1911 with less than 5" of barrel. I also learned to avoid any 1911 with a brand named starting with the letter K.
I would NOT trust a safety lever to make any weapon child-proof! Ever see a child play with something? Every lever and button is pushed and twisted in every direction.
Of course a 1911 has a second-strike capability: use your thumb to cock it. No, strike that idea; do a tap-rack-sight. Second-strike in a DA weapon can be a curse, if you are unaware your gun is not going bang, and in an intense fight, if a hammer is rising and falling, the shooter may indeed be so preoccupied with the target, that the lack of "bangs" may not be apparent. Yes, my P229s let me repeatedly drop the hammer, but that is NOT necessarily an advantage in a fight.
The P239 is an excellent little weapon. Keep in mind that there are grip panel options that make a P239 just as thick as a P229. If you want to be able to swap back and forth between 9mm and the bigger cartridges, you must buy the .40 or .357 SIG weapon at the outset, and purchase an aftermarket conversion barrel. The factory 9mm barrel is slimmer than the .40/.357 barrels, and the 9mm weapon's slide is machined to accept that slimmer barrel.
I don't like the safety on the 3913, either. In the mid-1990's, I tried to learn that system, and succeeded well enough, but it still felt unnatural. I also had a 3953, an excellent DAO cousin of the 3913, and used it for a while, until it went to live with a dear friend.
FWIW, I like revolvers, too, particularly the SP101, GP100, and S&W K- and L-frames. I think they have more parts than Gluncks, not less, but that is OK.
April 7th, 2009 09:13 AM
Hhahahaha I am the stereotypical glock owner, it never fails
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Smith and wesson m&p 9mm
Kimber Eclipse custom 2 .45acp
Beretta px4 storm 9mm
April 7th, 2009 09:20 AM
If they have the ability to pull the trigger, they most likely will be able to flip a safty lever off too...
Originally Posted by NC Buckeye
Sig P220R/Sig P239 (9mm)/ S&W 640/ Ruger Single Six Hunter (.22LR/Mag)/ CZ 452 Varmint .22LR/ Lee Enfield No4 MK2 sporterized dated 1959/ Mosin Nagant M90-30 dated 1942/
April 7th, 2009 09:41 AM
Don't rely at all on the safety as being a benefit with respect to the kids, for all those reasons other posters have written.
What I carry depends on level of concealment and comfort I want, but I usually default to my Kimber Ultra Raptor most of the time. It's 1. been reliable for me, despite some 1911's with a 3" bbl having problems for some-just my experience, 2., shoots .45 acp, a nice big bullet, 3. overall light and comfortable, 4. it's very comfortable for me to shoot, and out of all my carry guns, I seem to be able to shoot it the best on the draw.
April 7th, 2009 09:43 AM
My requirements were easy to conceal and very reliable. I carry a 642 mainly.
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April 7th, 2009 09:47 AM
I wanted a weapon manufacturer who had a great reputation of quality and dependability. I also wanted to know that my gun is made of metal parts. (at least mostly) I wanted a DA/SA trigger, and NO manual safety. I hate the feel of a trigger safety and palm safety I like a de-cocking lever, and since I want DA/SA, a hammer is a must. I prefer .45acp but looked at .40s+w as well. (chose .45) I prefer the weight of a heavier gun so that ruled out polymer frames, and made me choose either a stainless, or two-tone gun. Accuracy and comfort were other factors, and I ended up with the perfect gun for me......Sig P220 two-tone .45acp with Siglite night sights.
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