May 26th, 2009 10:53 AM
S&W Sigma in 9mm .40?
Are these ok?
May 26th, 2009 10:57 AM
I have never owned one, but I'd be a little leary of trusting my life to one. I have heard bad things about them. Save an extra $200 and buy a Glock.
May 26th, 2009 11:01 AM
The general consensus is that they have crummy triggers but are otherwise reliable. Some folks say that the newer guns have "nicer" triggers. Nicer being a relative term.
It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.
May 26th, 2009 11:59 AM
The old ones had some issues, so don't buy anything that does not say SW9VE, or SW40VE.
The "VE" was the new version and they are very solid pistols. Mine has been dead on reliable, and so has my buddy's. The Afgan army freedom forces, fighting for the US against terror was issued 40,000 of them from S&W called the "Allied Forces" edition which are all black. They have a much nicer trigger too, it is not overly hard like the old ones. I like my SW9VE AF edition as much as many other more expensive pistols.
As far as guns under $500, IMO there is not a better one than the Sigma.
May 26th, 2009 12:24 PM
reliable gun, lame trigger.
Shoot it at the range and figure out whether or not you like it. I did and ended up buying a stoeger cougar 9mm instead.
May 26th, 2009 12:44 PM
Sure they are ok.
Originally Posted by ErikGr7
They go boom when you pull the trigger. I don't like the trigger at all, but folks I know that have them have learned to adjust to the trigger.
Are there pistols that are nicer, yep. Are there pistols that may not have had as many issues in the past, yep. Is the Sigma worth the 250 to 300 bucks you can get them for, sure.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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May 26th, 2009 01:29 PM
I've heard nothing bad about them , but if you can , hold one and then
Originally Posted by ErikGr7
pick up a S&W M&P9 or M&P9C.
The difference in the two guns is quality you can really feel, yes the
M&P cost more ,but if money is not a problem don't short yourself
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May 26th, 2009 01:37 PM
I have an Allied Forces version in 9mm. The VE is one of the most underrated weapons on the market. I definitely trust my life to mine loaded with any 147 gr JHP. Once you become accustomed to the hard trigger pull, it is reliable and accurate. I can hit center mass at 25 yards. I also like the mag capacity and I usually carry mine as a BUG.
The early Sigmas had problems, but S&W has resolved those issues with the VE's.
May 26th, 2009 01:42 PM
There is nothing wrong with the trigger. It was not designed to be a "hair trigger" or a "competition trigger". Man up, give it a firm squeeze and BANG it goes. Mine has been absolutely reliable for nearly two years and is , even though not a competition shooter, very accurate.
May 26th, 2009 01:54 PM
I have one, reliable pistol and crappy trigger. I did my own (accepting full responsibility and not officially advocating it) trigger job to reduce the trigger pull.
Once I removed the spring that increases trigger pull it is now a very nice pistol, especially since I got it with $250 after rebates and gift card, plus 2 free 14 rd. mags.
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May 26th, 2009 02:19 PM
Carry one 60% of time 9mm great defence gun point & shoot feels natural !! PS GET THE ALLIED FORCE IF POSSIBLE all black
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May 26th, 2009 03:24 PM
My buddy has one in .40. He considered trading it due to the (heavy) trigger pull but I convinced him that it is a great HD / spare gun and he should keep it. They would not give him very much on the trade so he kept it.
That aside, it is a great gun for the $$$. The long heavy pull is the only thing I can knock it for.
May 26th, 2009 03:53 PM
For what it is, it is a GREAT gun. It shares alot with the Glocks and in my opinion, shares a Glocks reliability and durability to shoot and keep shooting no matter what. It will eat any ammo and asks for seconds.
What it doesn't share with the Glock (and the reason I sold my Glocks and now carry a Sigma) is the grip angle and thickness. It's angled more like a 1911 and with thumb rests on both sides make this the most comfortable grip that I've held in a long time (my personal opinion).
The only bad thing you hear about the Sigma is related to the trigger, mainly how heavy and grainy it is. The grainy feeling goes away with lots of shooting (if you have this gun, you will want to do lots of shooting because it is so much fun to shoot) and I personally like the heavy trigger pull, it feels like a heavy double action.
What you have to realize with this pistol is that it's a personal defense weapon like a Glock. If I'm in a shooting I'm going to be pulling that trigger as hard as I can. I'm not going to be noticing if it's a "little grainy and a little harder to pull than a Glock".
My only complaints on the Sigma are there are no front slide grooves and the lack of holster options. It can be somewhat hard to find a holster for it and with me being left handed, just adds to the problem. Kholster, Crossbreed and Don Hume do make holsters for it.
All in all, you will get a reliable, accurate pistol that you can easily trust your life to.
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May 26th, 2009 05:41 PM
I sold my XD because it was too bulky and I needed some cash. I did however want a fullsize 9mm around so I picked one up for $275 and I would recommend it to anyone.
I can knock the center of a target completly out at 7yds and only have a few strays....no different than any other gun I have ever owned..and that has been a lot.
It has never had a failure to feed in several hundred rounds of crap ball and has a natural aim.
Very under-rated, and I am happy I got it.
May 26th, 2009 06:15 PM
Great gun, trigger is heavy 8-10 pounds, but for self defense gun its perfectly fine, lets say it isnt going to go off by accident.
I had one on loan and loved it but my GF couldnt manage the trigger pull.
Ended up getitng a PT99, and later on a Glock.
If $$$ is an issue go for the Sigma, if $$$ are not an issue get a G19.
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