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    Qualified for work. Was an interesting day. Per the OPOTA course, I shot a 68 out of 80 with my SIG P220. Well I shot the same course with my G27 and received a 74 out of 80. Looks like I need to practice more with my duty gun.

    The fun will be shooting the UMP qualification course.
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    May say something about the Glock too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanely View Post
    Qualified for work. Was an interesting day. Per the OPOTA course, I shot a 68 out of 80 with my SIG P220. Well I shot the same course with my G27 and received a 74 out of 80. Looks like I need to practice more with my duty gun.

    The fun will be shooting the UMP qualification course.


    What was the course of fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evanely View Post
    Qualified for work. Was an interesting day. Per the OPOTA course, I shot a 68 out of 80 with my SIG P220. Well I shot the same course with my G27 and received a 74 out of 80. Looks like I need to practice more with my duty gun. The fun will be shooting the UMP qualification course.
    For those of us who have no idea what your local acronyms mean, what are you talking about? What is an "OPOTA" and a "UMP?" All of us don't know what you know. Thanks.
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    OPOTA is Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy, they set the standards for Ohio L.E., and they happen to be one of the more advanced with some of the most strict standards in the country.

    A UMP is a SMG (Sub Machine Gun) made by HK often used by tactical officers. Some agencies use them as patrol rifles.

    FWIW, shoot a 68 on my range and its desk duty for you, and you won't even be thinking about touching a UMP until you are 78+.

    No worries though, the 220 is a really easy gun to shoot. Spend some time with it, and you'll forget all about Glocks.
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    What's the course of fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    What's the course of fire?

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    OPOTA allows for some variances, but there are min. standards that have to be met. I have no idea what the OP's course of fire is, I can post what the mins. are if you want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    OPOTA allows for some variances, but there are min. standards that have to be met. I have no idea what the OP's course of fire is, I can post what the mins. are if you want to know.
    Thank you Sixto.

    I'd be interested in knowing if you don't mind posting.

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    I'm going off memory here, so i might not be exactly right;

    3 shots from retention at 3 yards or less.

    6 from 7

    6 from 15

    6 from 25



    There is also some stages of shooting from "cover", I remember the exact distances of those.
    We (My agency) do not shoot an OPOTA course, and never will as long as I have anything to do with it. They allow you to be a lot tougher, and we are. We shoot from incline, decline, cars (moving and stationary) on our backs whatever we can think of to make it interesting. We also require less than 5% miss ratio, some stages must be 100%.

    I'm looking for a link now that spells out OPOTA requirements, I know I have it in my file drawer somewhere.
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    Huh, always wondered what other agencies have to do. Ours is as follows:

    All strings start from the holster, each mag is loaded with 5 rounds before the course of fire starts:

    5 rounds 5 yard line 5 seconds or less
    10 rounds (5 reload 5) in ten seconds at 10 yards
    10 rounds (5 reload 5) in 20 seconds 15 yards
    10 rounds (5 reload 5) in 25 seconds 20 yards
    15 rounds (5 reload 5 reload 5) 60 seconds from 25 yards

    we do this 3 times and take the average score. I think my last one was 91.8% with the glock 17. After graduation I am gonna take my 1911 out and see if I can beat that score.
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    Going from memory here:

    3 Yards:
    6 both hands
    6 strong hand

    7 Yards:
    6 weak hand (1 shot per second)
    6 strong hand (1 shot per second)
    6 both hands (5 seconds)

    15 Yards:
    12 both hands

    25 Yards:
    6 strong hand standing barricade
    6 weak hand standing barricade
    6 kneeling strong hand barricade
    6 kneeling weak hand barricade

    I like to see what other agencies do to have something to compare with. The rifle and the shotgun each have their own corse of fire, and truth be told, it's too easy.

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    Alright testing memory even from shooting the other day. I have asked our range master to give a copy of the OPOTA checklist so I can have on file. Most recently attended a FBI Sniper/Observer school and have some qualification sheets for some of the local SWAT teams so if anybody is interested let me know and I will be more then willing to PM them to people. I think it serves a better purpose to go to range and have something to shoot then just go and f--- around. Rounds are probably not adding up but if anybody wants the course of fire for OPOTA will give that sheet out at well. In my opinion, rounds inside the target should count as hits not necessarily rounds not within preferred area. Just my 2 cents.

    Most people are right, each rifle and shotgun has own course of fire.

    The interesting thing from this qualification course that it was a total score of fire not just an average as it was in the past.

    6 shots at 50 feet. 18 seconds.

    6 shots strong hand, 6 shots weak hand. No time limit.

    Quick draw, 3 targets in preferred area. Then 3 more shots and back up and shot engage target with 3 shots.

    6 shots in low light preferred area, no time limit.

    Starting from 40 feet, engage 2 targets from 21 foot, then mag change then exchange two more. 18 seconds.

    50 feet, 6 shots in preferred area, prone out.

    From 40 feet, each 3 3x times at 21 feet in 25 seconds. Including two mag changes.
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    Like my SIG 220, couple of the guys hate them at the PD. Am not completely sold on the idea of Glocks yet. Great thing about the SIG, run out of bullets can just beat you to death with the all metal frame.
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