I'm new to these boards... this is only my first real post if you discount my introduction post in the "I'm new here!" forums.
So I recently received my CWP (I took the course here in Florida almost immediately after turning 21) and intend to carry. I went to a gun range today that sells guns to take a look at some of the guns I'd researched online (and searched through these forums before joining) and think that the P239 is the favorite among those I checked out.
I've long been a fan of Sig Sauer. Easily 95% of my pistol shooting has been with my father's two Sigs, a P229 9mm and P232 .380, so I'm comfortable with the brand and the maintenance and all that. I suppose I was a little biased when I walked in... not that is a bad thing necessarily.
Now, I know there are many variants of the P239, the SAS the Tactical the DAK and so on, so I was hoping to get some of your individual opinions on each of them (if you happen to have any experience with them) and what the advantages of the different variants are as they apply to concealed carry.
Further, what are your individual thoughts in terms of caliber? I'm drawn to the 9mm immediately because of my comfort with shooting 9mm in general, but I've considered the .40 caliber as well. I welcome any thoughts on this topic.
Just as a note, I also had a look at the H&K P2000 and the Glock G26 (9mm) and G27 (.40 caliber).
What felt the best in your hands? Since you have experience with the Sig 229, the 239 might be the way to go for a start anyway, more tend to follow you home, so watch out!:yup:
That's actually why I liked the P239 - it felt best in hand. The Walther I picked up, but didn't seem to write down the model on, felt like a toy. The H&K was okay but didn't feel right for some reason... I'm a little too inexperienced to say why exactly but it felt funny. The Glock was a good feel. When I picked the P239 up it just felt right for some reason... comfortable and easy to control.
Of your choices, I grab the Glock-26...small, dependable, and 9mm (wihich is just fine until you get bigger:rofl: ...then we'll let you try a .45)...don't ignore the Glock-36, which has the thinnest grip of all the Glocks.
In the end, YOU must decide which gun is actually calling your name.:image035:
Stay armed...have fun searching for that favorite carry gun...stay safe!
239 is a great weapon. G26 is nice too, but bit small. if the 239 fits your hand. i'd stick with that. I'm a sucker for 'capacity' though
that being said, 9mm is a great round. ESPECIALLY if you are comfortable with it. that is the key. if you add all the debates on 9mm vs 40 and 45 on the internet, it would be over a million pages!!! I love the .45 round, but I stick with 9mm because I can hit anything anywhere from a respectable distance. I can't do this with a .45
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P239 = Great weapon, go with it. I reccomend SAS (because its the one designed for carry purposes being anti snag. everything is smoothened) DA/SA if you are planning on carry, you don't need tactical threaded barrel for a carry pistol lol. I like DA/SA because its the best of both worlds (single and double, you get to choose)
9mm = great caliber with today's cartridges... get a Ranger T +P+ or a speer gold dot +P 127gr. both excellent and proven ammo
now if it was me, I would go with a P228 or a P229, mainly because its more of a full size gun, and works perfect and hides well with a good holster. not to mention u have close to double the ammo
The 239 in 9 MM (At least mine), is a real tack driver. The only change I've made is the addition of Hogue grips. Don't think you can go wrong with one.
Love my 239 .40. I also considered the guns you mentioned, but went with the Sig based on feel and reputation. The only downsides I can see to my EDC are capacity (but 7+1 is probably enough) and it' s a little heavier than the other guns you mentioned. Despite the extra weight, I carry it with zero problems in summer and winter. Don't think you need the SAS. I've never had an issue with mine snagging on any clothing or holster.
I think you've talked yourself into a Sig. Stop thinking about it so much and press with the 239. You won't be disappointed.
PM sent. Selling a mint P239 in .40 that has been sitting in my safe since I got it a few years back. Gun has less than 500 rounds thru it. I personally prefer my Glocks.
I own a Sig 239 (.40) and a Glock 26 (9MM) and my personal choice of the two is the Sig Sauer. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the glock but the sig is a better quaility gun overall. The Glock is less expensive as Sigs tend to be pricey. I believe the reason for that is they are just made better. I like you, was uncertain whether to go with the 9MM or the .40 cal. However after shooting both, I opted for the more powerful .40. Both were comparable where accuracy was concerned. The Sig is heavier but the Glock is thicker. The Glock mag holds 10 and the Sig 7 rounds. Neither the cost of ammo nor the recoil of the .40 is that much beyond the 9mm. For my two cents, I recommend the Sig 239 in .40 cal.
Really can't help you with info on the Sig's. As far as caliber, shoot them both and see which one you shoot better. The 9mm will be cheaper to shoot than .40 cal. Your going to have more felt recoil with the .40 cal. If your able to shoot both equally I'd recommend .40 cal over 9mm.
While your looking, if your dealer carry CZ firearms you might be interested in looking at the CZ75 P-01 (9mm) or the CZ75 P-06 (.40 cal). CZ's are well built, rugged and priced right.
I've owned a P239 in 9mm for about a year and like the gun very much. It has been accurate and absolutely reliable for me at the range, and I have carried it part of the time (I like variety). The gun has a very compact grip for easy concealment, and is pretty lightweight at 27.5 ounces empty. I use Federal HST ammo in 147 grain size in the gun.
I've owned a P239 in 9mm for about a year and like the gun very much. It has been accurate and absolutely reliable for me at the range, and I have carried it part of the time (I like variety). The gun has a very compact grip for easy concealment, and is pretty lightweight at 27.5 ounces empty. I use Federal HST ammo in 147 grain size in the gun.
this is beautiful. where on earth does one find such a thing? i've searched the entire interwebz and i absolutely cannot find a single other mention of a SigSauer P239 Stainless anywhere. pogo2's pictures are the only ones i've ever seen of an all-stainless 239. the only thing i can find is a model with a stainless slide, which IMO is pretty ugly. can anyone point me in the right direction?
edit: nevermind, i just found a post from him on a different forum where he explains it was refinished before he bought it. some more digging shows that there was a limited edition nickel version released in 05. Sig should definitely make an all stainless version!
I just bought my 239 (9mm) in April and have put about 1400 rounds or so through it so far. +1 on the tack-driver comment. It's also scarily accurate! Everyone who has "played" with my Ziggy gets that gleam in their eye and a big grin and says how much they like it.
Three things though:
1) I have the DAK. Since it is my first gun, I am used to it, but most folks who tend to shoot SA/DA have a bit of an awkward moment or two, especially with the 7lb trigger pull every time, until they get used to it. Almost always within the time it takes to empty the first mag.
2) I use hand lotion alot and shoot outdoors, even in the rain. I didn't like the plastic-y factory grips, because my hands would slide, so I bought this very thin rubber "sleeve" that the gunsmith put on for me. You keep the factory grips, but it's like the gun is wearing a thin rubber tube now, which I think is a lot more comfortable.
3) I have noticed that folks who "try" it tend to shoot low. I don't know if it has to do with the heavier trigger pull and they dip because they think there will be a lot of recoil and they are trying to avoid it, or if the heavier trigger pull makes them have less trigger control and they tend to jerk it a little bit. I have noticed that the Siglite night sights I have on mine tend to be more "combat sights" so the sight picture needs to be just slightly different...maybe that's it?
But whatever. It's deadly accurate every time, seemingly even when I'm not. And "gentle" enough that I taught two people how to shoot on IT, instead of a .22. Even my little guy can do serious damage to a zombie target with it. I think if you decide to buy one, you can't go wrong. Definitely put about 100 rounds through the DAK if you can, before you buy. It's just freaking sweeeeet!
I recently bought a set of Hogue rubber grips for my Sig 239, and they make a big positive difference in the way the gun feels in my hand. I like the SA/DA, and feel very safe carrying it in double action form.
I would have to go with the SIG P239 too. I have a P239 SAS Gen 1, which comes standard with the DAK trigger and contrast sites. I purchased it blind for a very good price after reading some positive reviews about the DAK trigger. I own a number of pistols with DA/SA, DAO and SA triggers, which I shoot well, but after a good deal of time at the range and dry fire practice I could not comfortably adjust to the DAK trigger. I sent it back to SIG who converted it to DA/SA, and while there install night sights and smooth out the internals (action enhancement package). Their service was great, and they picked up the tab on all shipping as well as the night sight. Now, the pistol is a joy to shoot. The dimensions and anti snag treatment make it easy to carry concealed. As suggested it’s a good idea to handle one before you make a purchase decision. (The newer P239 SAS Gen 2 models are available with a DA/SA SRT trigger and night sights.)
I'm retired 10 years now, but when I worked we carried 9 mm's and I was very confident about the round. I had never fired a .40 cal until about two months ago so I didn't really know what to expect. But, I must say I was pleasantly surprised and impressed with the .40 cal round. There is slightly more recoil than the 9 MM, but nothing you can't adapt to rather quickly. As stated, I use wooden grips (Hogue) on my 239 and have no difficulty firing consistant one hand shots and grouping nicely in a five inch bull at roughly 25 - 30 feet. I am an experienced shooter but don't consider myself exceptional. I still fire my Glock 26 (9 MM) but prefer to carry the .40 cal Sig 239. Although the Glock is a bit more compact, I carry my 239 because of stopping power and because I personally find it easier to conceal.
My 40 cal. 239 SAS DAK has been my (almost) constant companion since I bought it about a year and a half ago. In January of this year, I got a really good buy on a 239 DAK (not SAS) in 9mm and picked it up to be able to practice with the same trigger group but cheaper ammo. I don't find the 40 difficult to handle at all and prefer the 40 for the extra power. One advantage to the 9mm is that Sig offers a 10 round extended magazine for the 9 which would give the capability of carrying with the 8+1 mag and having a 10 round reload. No extended mag for the 40.
I chose the DAK trigger because for my carry gun, I wanted each and every trigger pull to be the same. While the DAK pull runs 6-7 pounds on a trigger scale, it feels much less because it is so smooth. I also have a P245 that has the standard Sig SA/DA trigger and it's nice too. It just depends on your personal preference.
One thing I might suggest is if you're buying new, pass on the Sig night sights and use the money saved to install a set of TruGlo TFO sights. You still have the tritium night sight and the fiber optics in the daylight are unbelievable. They are what is on my 9mm in the link above.
In short, make your choice of trigger style and caliber and then buy the 239. There are smaller and lighter pistols available, but the 239 just screams quality and precision.
One thing I might suggest is if you're buying new, pass on the Sig night sights and use the money saved to install a set of TruGlo TFO sights. You still have the tritium night sight and the fiber optics in the daylight are unbelievable.
Hoss
Hogue grip is a plastic grip that goes over the stock grips... makes it a bit thicker, and has finger grooves. helps with recoil and handling.
only thing I don't like about the 239 is the capacity... a P11 has more capacity ya know? even a P245 almost has the same amount of rounds, and it carries .45s....
The only issue I have with my 239 is weight. The 239 is a bit heavy for my taste. I find I carry my m&p compact easier than the sig. It is a great weapon though, and the DAK is awesome.
I also tried it in .40 for a day. Personally, I have weird issues with the .40, YMMV. For some strange reason, ANY time I shoot ANY gun in a .40 caliber, the hot brass ends up in my hear or just above my right eyebrow. Glock, Sig, Kel-Tec, it doesn't matter. And it doesn't matter whether I'm Weaver, Isoceles, sitting, standing, prone, one or two handed...like I said...weird issues. If you like the .40 though, see if you can rent a 239 in various calibers to get a feel for them before you decide on which one to buy.
Getting hit in the head with empty cartridges is usually caused by failure to lock your wrists, and grip the gun firmly. The fact that it happens with every 40 cal. firearm you've tried, lays credence to this factor.
Getting hit in the head with empty cartridges is usually caused by failure to lock your wrists, and grip the gun firmly. The fact that it happens with every 40 cal. firearm you've tried, lays credence to this factor.
Thank you...I'll go back out next week and try it again with someone there to watch and make sure I'm locking. Wonder why it only happens with the 40? I must have a mental block or something. I appreciate the tip, Freedom!
The Glock is a fine weapon, and I own a G23. But your Sig will be the heirloom you pass on to your first-born, and your dog will never destroy your Sig if he chews on it.
the sig239 in 9mm has been my carry gun for over a year. it truly is scary accurate even at 25yrds.comfortably to carry also and lots of holsters for it.next on my list is crimson trace grips for it.:tumbleweed:
Do you mean to decide between the guns or decide between the caliber?
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