Is the Kahr P380 really worth the extra money over the LCP?

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    Is the Kahr P380 really worth the extra money over the LCP?

    Just came into a few extra dollars and may be in the market for a 380. Probably will wait for the ammo situation to come around though. Just thought I'd ask people that have both is the P380 from Kahr worth the extra money over the LCP?

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    Just my opinion but the Kahr seems to be of much better quality than the LCP. The fit, finish and my perception of the quality of materials would lead me to the Kahr if I were in the market for a .380 pistol. Let me qualify that by stating that I have only shot the LCP. I have shot other Kahrs in 9mm and 40 cal. I didn't like the way the LCP felt under recoil and to be fair, I don't like Kahr triggers. If I had to choose one right now, it would be the Kahr.
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    "Cost" is a relative term. How many folks buy custom or semi-custom 1911 .45 ACP pistols that start at $2k? My .380 ACP is a Seecamp and due to the law of "supply and demand" they're currently selling for a lot more than either the Ruger or the Kahr. If I ever had to use it defensively would the price be worth it? Is there a difference between spending money for a defensive .45 and a .380 used for the same purposes?

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    I'll take the striker fired P380 over the LCP and P3AT with long hammer springs any day. I had a PF-9 hammer spring fail and it's not fun to think about that happening with an EDC.

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    If you want a .380, look at the Sig P232 as well. Sig quality and scary accurate. I didnt like the feel of either the Kahr or the Ruger. Both of them were too small for my hands.
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    Personal opinion, get the Kahr 9mm and forget the other two.

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    I have a LCP but sure would like a kahr
    would prob pick the kahr over the LCP.
    RCHER right on with the Sig
    I really like how their 380 feels.
    It was just a little big for what I wanted
    but still awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Personal opinion, get the Kahr 9mm and forget the other two.
    A wise opinion also.

    Get a Kahr MK9 or PM9.

    The 9mm has proven superior stopping ability, not to mention that .380 ammo is getting very difficult to find, and costs almost twice as much as 9mm ammo.
    "I've run across shooting after shooting where the defender shot a violent aggressor with a .380 and did little to immediately stop his depredations. A good hollow point load in 9mm or .38 Special will, historically, end lethal assaults more quickly."

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    I just recently went through the same thought process. I wound up with the Kahr PM9. So far it has been reliable with NO malfunctions of any kind. It is also much more accurate than I expected from a gun this size.

    I traded my J Frame and some money for it. I always thought the J Frame showed up in the pocket too much. Also after 25 practice rounds with the J Frame I was ready to quit. I have shot 150 with the PM9 with no issues.

    I do think that the LCP is more concealable but the option of cheaper, easier to find, and better selection of 9mm tips the scale. While the Sig and Kahr .380s may be smaller they are almost the same weight.
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    OK I am a fan of the whole Kahr line....but for the money and availability you really should take a look at the Sig P238. I handled one at the LGS the other day. They are VERY nice. The guy said they had gotten in two and the owner bought one as soon as he touched it. They were very nice. I am not easily impressed, an can be a gun snob on the right day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCfromNY View Post
    I just recently went through the same thought process. I wound up with the Kahr PM9. So far it has been reliable with NO malfunctions of any kind. It is also much more accurate than I expected from a gun this size.

    I traded my J Frame and some money for it. I always thought the J Frame showed up in the pocket too much. Also after 25 practice rounds with the J Frame I was ready to quit. I have shot 150 with the PM9 with no issues.

    I do think that the LCP is more concealable but the option of cheaper, easier to find, and better selection of 9mm tips the scale. While the Sig and Kahr .380s may be smaller they are almost the same weight.
    I agree with this post. I have a LCP and have shot about 300 rounds through it...and I like it and would have no problem recommending it to anyone, but if they asked about a Kahr P380 also, I would steer them in that direciton if cost were not an issue. I have a PM9 and I love it...pocket carried it this morning and although a bit heavy (compared to the tiny LCP) it is not a real issue...and the big plus...AMMO. $8.97 for range ammo at Wal-Mart....380 is 2X that if you are lucky to find it.....wont take long to hit the break even cost point when you take ammo into consideration. I have dry fired a P380 and the trigger was perfect ...way better than the LCP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Personal opinion, get the Kahr 9mm and forget the other two.
    A wise opinion also.

    Get a Kahr MK9 or PM9.

    The 9mm has proven superior stopping ability, not to mention that .380 ammo is getting very difficult to find, and costs almost twice as much as 9mm ammo.
    This discussion is about .380's and the choice between two in the category. If the OP's question were about "what to get," generically, all guns that match the criteria would be fair game. If the OP's question were about which of two specific guns that met certain criteria of size/concealability were preferable to folks, then other platforms that are outside those parameters wouldn't be on the table. As in this case.

    That being said, I've also had the Kahr CW9, PM9, as well as the KelTec P3AT and NAA Guardian 380. Size-wise and in terms of concealability there's no comparison between the two being discussed. The Kahr is just as small, better built, and reportedly (from many posts I've seen by new owners of the P380) it feels more like a Kahr PM9 when shooting than anything else on the market.

    As for the category, the "micros" in the category are (with the exception of the Rohrbaugh) the smallest and most-concealable options on the market. Those criteria simply aren't matched by any other platform, aside from opinions of undesirability to some.

    Quote Originally Posted by gilfo View Post
    Is the Kahr P380 really worth the extra money over the LCP?
    IMO ...

    These two are significantly smaller, easy to shoot/aim and affordable than most other choices in this category. If the choice is between these two, I would opt for the Kahr P380 every time. YMMV, for reasons of either size, concealability, shooting ergonomics (how it feels on the hand when shooting), capability/power of the platform.

    If going sub-micro isn't so crucial and 9mm is acceptable, then the Kahr PM9 that was mentioned is also an excellent possiblity. The gun is just wide enough in the frame to be amazingly comfortable during shooting, despite the light weight and diminutive size.
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    I bought my P-3AT when it was the only super small, ultralight .380 available. Since then, everybody and his uncle Bob has started making and selling them. I'll stick with the original, and if I bought another today, it would be the KelTec again.
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    I have know idea which is best.

    Here's what I will say about MY LCP.

    I just shot it again with J man and another friend this week. Sent another 50 rounds through it.

    It was flawless, never sneezed or hiccuped and still very accurate. I emptied a couple magazines, rapid fire, one handed, weak side and it was within 6 inch or so group at about 4-5 yards.

    J man agrees with me in that we both think it is more accurate in rapid fire mode as opposed to solid two hand slow aimed fire. We were both able to hit a small 12 oz styrofoam cup and make it dance around on the ground hitting it every time with rapid fire the very first time on the day I bought the gun several months ago.

    To date, I've put about 300 - 350 rounds since I bought it. 100% reliable with everything put through it! Honady critical defense, Double Tap ammo loaded with Speer gold dot bullets, and various FMJ.

    I have absolutely no regrets buying it and will not get rid of it in the future. Regardless of what else I may get down the road... The Ruger LCP is a Keeper!
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    I don't think the question is really "is the Kahr P380 really worth the extra money over the LCP"..

    My opinion, fwiw, generally not much, is that I believe in a pistol used for personal protection most people have, generally, the same requirements.

    1. Absolute reliability. (or as close to it as any firearm can be).
    2. Self defense distance accurate.. (and that ranges varies from person to person.. MY personal self defense range for my LWS380 is three yards, max.)
    3. BE CONCEALABLE.. If you cannot carry it concealed, it's worthless.
    4. Price.. If you can't afford it, it's worthless.. But buying a self defense choice simply based on price is also not necessarily a smart move.

    I've personally owned ( 32cal's in the past) a KT P32, Beretta Tomcat, 2 NAA Guardians and with the exception of the Tomcat all were excellent pistols. The KT never missed a beat and with one exception both NAA's were perfect also. (One early series Guardian went back to the factory for feeding problems, the problem was corrected and the repaired pistol w/a free mag were sent back, never to cause another seconds problem.) The Tomcat was also an early series and it was honestly a piece of crap. Beretta CS was as bad as the Tomcat, but I hear the current Tomcats are much better. (Don't know about the modern bozo's at Beretta CS.)

    My current mousegun cc choice is the LWS380. I don't say it will do anything better than the LCP, or the P380, or the new Sig or any of the new 380's hitting the market, but it IS the one I prefer, and I love it. If I couldn't afford it I would have been equally served with any of the others I'm sure.

    I think we all know the Ruger LCP is a refined KT P3AT.. I know there was an early recall, but perhaps those problems have been corrected by now. Ruger I believe has a lifetime warranty and a good reputation so they'll get it right sooner or later.

    The Kahr on the other hand, as with any new model anything, is IMO gonna have bugs that as a new owner YOU will be finding for the Kahr folks. You buy a new anything, you are generally gonna be a "beta tester" for the company that made the sucker. All Kahrs look alike to me, so this new 380 is probably already "bug free", but only the buyers of the early ones will know for sure.

    I expect the new Sig 380, the Micro Desert Eagle and all the other new models to all have a great potential for requiring a de-bugging early on.

    But rather than let the price be the determining factor for you, I suggest you find the choices that ARE reliable and accurate AND concealable, AND that you can afford, and try and hold and test fire each if possible.

    Then buy what makes you feel warm and fuzzy, price be damned.

    No offense to those who might be smarter than I in this discussion, or might chose to disagree on my logic. Sometimes I'm wrong.

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