October 2nd, 2009 06:31 PM
Had a scary encounter.
So, the other day my boyfriend and I were driving on the freeway, when someone with some obvious road rage issues, came roaring up behind us, practically riding our bumper (and we were a little over the speed limit already).
So my boyfriend, being a safe driver, slowed down a bit to deterr the guy from continuing these dangerous actions.
He then attempts several times to drive us off the road! And he dangerously follows us on our exit, almost causing more accidents, by attempting to drive us off the ramp, and trying to collide cars. He then goes straight, while we proceed to go right, in which he then drives around an island in the road and cuts us off (almost t-bones us).
We manage to get ahead of him, but he starts tailing us all the way across town.
I was terrified, and my boyfriend was freaking a little too. I wished at that point that I had something I could have scared him off with. He finally got bored and left, but I had already called the cops, given them a partial license plate number (he kept pulling up way too close to us so I couldn't see it without getting out of the car, and I didn't think that that was such a great idea; I didn't want him to try to run me over next).
My point is, lately I've been feeling like I should get some kind of protection (I'm a small girl that looks like easy prey), and now I feel that it's necessary to carry some sort of defense. But I don't know guns or ammo. Any advice on what a good, intimidating, yet easy to carry gun might be? I'm willing to learn to shoot, and get my concealed weapons permit, I just need to know what type of gun would be best for me.
P.S. I like the idea of a sawed off shotgun, but that wouldn't be easy to conceal when you're only 5'3"...Lol.
October 2nd, 2009 06:33 PM
wow pretty scary, glad you guy are ok
October 2nd, 2009 06:34 PM
If I gave a crap about what you think about my guns.....it was early this morning and I already flushed it!
October 2nd, 2009 06:37 PM
I don't know what your budget is, but a Ruger LCP (380) is very easy to conceal. Or, you might think about a Sig P239 (9 mil.)
Take a class. Call your local gun shop and ask for names of NRA certified instructors. It's better if you have a one-on-one class.
Then, take a CCW class and get your permit.
You won't regret it.
In the meanwhile, you can always carry pepper spray
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October 2nd, 2009 06:39 PM
My advice would be to find a range that rents guns. Try as many as you can and then make "your" decision. You will get a lot of opinions here but only you will know the right gun for you.
October 2nd, 2009 06:54 PM
I'm glad first off that everything is ok and you did the right thing calling the cops. Avoidance of the situation is always your best choice and you did a good job of not getting any more involved then you had to.
As far as the gun I would try to find a friend/family member that is familar with guns or call a gun range/gun shop and see if there are any NRA instructors or gun range instructors that can assist you with 1) learning safe shooting 2) being able to show you different handguns and having you test them out. I would definitely recommend contacting an instructor first and then go from there.
Once you've done that and shot a few different calibers/guns then we can throw out suggestions based on what you've narrowed down for us. It's great that your thinking about your safety and the next steps. Keep us updated!
Stay Safe :)
P.S. Welcome to the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 2nd, 2009 07:21 PM
Glad your alright, Welcome to DC H/D
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October 2nd, 2009 07:25 PM
efowler53... First off, welcome to defensive carry! You came to the right place.
Second, don't get discouraged! When you are new to firearms, picking out your first gun is a daunting task! You're going to get lots of recommendations and I'll address that in a moment.
OK, here's one of the most important things to do first. First of all, you are going to have to come to terms with what it means to carry a gun in the first place. You have to know inside if you are capable of using a gun against another human being. If you don't think you can, don't get a gun. At least not yet.
Everyone must come to terms with what it really means to have the ability to take a human life on a moment notice. One must know what the awesome responsibility it is, to carry the power to take a life with the pull of a trigger. One must feel that their life has value and that no one has the right to violate your body and to do harm against you and that you have the absolute right to defend yourself and to use lethal force if it is necessary. We call this; doing the requisite inner soul searching where you sit down and contemplate just what type of value you place on yourself as a human being; where you stand on drawing the line; and whether you are capable enough to use the gun or to take a life if you feel your life is threatened. We all must do it. At some point you will too.
Why? Because, bottom line is guns do not scare bad guys! If you have any illusions that pulling your gun on a bad guy is going to just magically scare him away you are deluding yourself. If once you pull your gun, then for whatever reason, you can't bring yourself to pull the trigger, you'll likely die. It's just that simple. And it is that real. Now, with that said... There may be lots of times when you may have to pull your gun, and in the end, you end up not having to shoot the guy, Great! It happens! Sometimes, the bad guy does have a moment of clarity and does in fact back down and run away. But Do Not Count On It or Bet Your Life On It!
Read my signature line.... The gun is the great equalizer... It does allow the weak to repel the monsters... Most of the time, it's our only chance. However, you have to be capable of using it.
OK, enough of that.
Now, the most general advice is what kind of gun to get and what caliber. The options are literally endless, so we have to kind of whittle down the choices a bit. Generally, it is considered to be best to carry a gun in the largest caliber you can shoot accurately and shoot well. But we also need to carry the gun with us all the time. A gun left in the dresser at home is of no use when you carrying groceries to the car in some parking lot at night and you become the target of a rapist. So, we also need a gun small enough that you will be comfortable carrying ALL THE TIME.
I will also recommend that any gun you decide to get, try to get an opportunity to try one out first. It doesn't have to be the exact gun, but if you are thinking of a 9mm auto-loader, at least try and get a chance to shoot one. If you are thinking of a .38 special revolver, try and find an opportunity to try one.
Now, speaking of getting a auto-loader (semi-automatic) pistol or a revolver, which one to get. It is a personal choice. I usually recommend a 1st gun choice for a defensive gun to be a revolver. I am not gender biased and only recommend the revolver to women. I recommend this based on size, simplicity, functional reliability and a decent caliber to stop bad guys. Did I start out with a revolver? No! My first gun was an auto-loader. But I now own 3 revolvers and would trust my life to anyone of them.
The revolver is the simplest gun to operate. Squeeze trigger and it goes bang! There are no mechanical safety levers you have to manipulate in order to get it to function. They are safe guns to handle and for the most part are fool proof. They do not malfunction to the level that semi-automatics do. Yes, like any mechanical object, it can jam or fail to fire, but trust me, it is way way rare for it to happen compared to an auto-loader. They are also a little more forgiving if you neglect the maintenance and upkeep on them. I would look at a revolver in the .38 special loading or .357 magnum loading. If you purchase a .357 magnum gun, you can also shoot .38 specials in the gun which is slightly less powerful than the magnum loads. However you can not shoot .357 magnum loads out of a .38 special. The magnum rounds are slightly longer than the .38 special loads and won't fit into the cylinder. The cylinder is the round cylinder which stores the bullets. .38 special bullets do fit into the .357 magnum guns and fire just fine. So you essentially get two guns in one if you purchase the .357 magnum.
As far as auto-loaders go, they are a lot more mechanically complicated to operate with more things to go wrong than with the revolver. That doesn't say a novice can't start off with an auto-loader, but bear in mind, it requires much more training, practice and attention to detail in order to operate. I started with an auto-loader and did just fine. However, I was interested in guns in general and had lots of friends who shot guns and I was willing to put in the time needed to become proficient with it. I would also recommend the 9mm caliber in a first time auto-loader. Most of them hold a lot of bullets and the recoil from the 9mm round is usually quite manageable for most shooters.
What I have offered here, is just some very basic and general directions to look. You have to decide on your own or with the help of some good friends who will help you and not just project their own personal favorites on you.
You should at least have an opportunity to shoot both a revolver and an auto-loader before making up your mind. There are some vast differences between the two and you wouldn't want to sell yourself short by not trying out both.
I also encourage you to come visit this forum often and read up on the discussions and continue to ask as many questions as you like. You'll get tons of help. Remember, don't let people push one thing over another on you. You decide on your own. But you'll get a lot of good advice. We have the best gun forum on the internet here. If you hang out here for any amount of time, you'll quickly come to believe that. We have lots of instructors, holster makers, competition shooters, police officers, former and active duty military and some great tacticians here. There is also a very solid woman's presence here, so you will not be the lone duck in the pond!
I hope this helps a little in your quest. Feel free to ask any question you want.
Also use the Private Message feature if you want to talk privately to someone you want more detailed information or clarification.
Good luck and welcome to our family! I hope you'll become an active member here and join our ranks!
Take care and stay safe.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
October 2nd, 2009 07:34 PM
personally, I think Patti gave perfect advice. Get some one on one training from a professional instructor.... preferably a woman that KNOWS the dilemas that other women face in not only how to recognize and face a real threat, but also carry methods that are specific to women's needs. This would be an excellent time for Lima to jump in. Besides, I always enjoy reading her advice myself.
October 2nd, 2009 07:59 PM
Patti is right on!
Before you buy anything, get some instruction and try several different guns to find exactly what you like.
I'll also add, a firearm is a tool of last resort. Not to be used to frighten someone away, but to save your life when in imminent danger. You might look at some unarmed self defense training too. The combination will go a long way toward restoring your sense of safety.
Oh yeah, welcome aboard!
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October 2nd, 2009 08:18 PM
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Get the Ruger LCP or the KelTec P-3AT...either will assist you with personal security...get training and practice.
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October 2nd, 2009 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by Thumper
A firearm is a tool, no different than a spare tire, homeowner's insurance, duct tape, a sharp knife, scissors. It's not a panacea that can solve all your problems. It most definitely is to be considered a last-ditch defensive tool for when your life is at legitimate risk of being lost. Frankly, that's a very limited set of circumstances, there, and a fairly rare occurrence for most folks. I've had that happen a few times, but only once in the past 15yrs during which I've needed to draw and defend. (Trust me and others: you don't ever want to be in that situation where you're forced to make that choice.)
Recommendation: If you are new to firearms, find a reasonably-priced course on firearms safety, handling and usage that takes no longer than a day. Perhaps take a second one as well, from another instructor. Ensure the focus is first-time firearms usage, and ensure you will get a decent amount of practical, hands-on firing of a few different pistols/revolvers.
After that, you can consider whether it's for you. I would suggest finding an indoor range that rents various firearms. At such a place, you can go several times and take your time while you evaluate what your use of firearms is going to be. Are you wanting to acquire a home-defense cannon (ie, a shotgun), for use in the home only? Are you going to carry it with you, around town, for defensive purposes? Are you willing to acquire a concealed-carry license and accept what that means ... that you agree to be responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun, whether it strikes a 3yr old child across the street, harms you or a loved one, or ultimately stops an attacker?
Ditto on the point about firearms not being something that'll scare the bad guys. They've BTDT, quite literally. You're 5'nothing; you'll ooze body language and the "look" that shows you've never actually stopped anyone from assaulting you before; and, without some training and dedicated focus on your part, you're highly likely to get the damned thing taken from you and used against you ... unless you get your mindset straightened and hardened. That's going to take a little time and dedication, with proper trainers. And, keep one critical thing in mind: it's not about firearms; rather, it's far more about mindset and proactive defensive steps and precautions that you can take well before a situation ever shows itself.
Here are some thoughts to consider: click.
Oh, yeah. Purchase a copy of the book In The Gravest Extreme, written by Massad Ayoob. You can pick it up on Amazon.com for about $12. If you're serious about concealed-carry and changing your defensive posture while out and about, this book is a must-read.
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October 2nd, 2009 08:37 PM
Welcome! You have landed in an expert laden area of self defense, conflict avoidance, and firearms. It is a shame that you had to have a scary encounter to make your way here.
You might want to start out reading: Cornered Cat it is maintained by a forum member here. It is a great start.
Assuming you are from Washington State, here is some info on where to get a concealed pistol license:
WA State Licensing: Concealed Pistol License
Go to your local police station, fill out an app, pay $55.25, and they will do a background check (to make sure you are not a convicted of a felony or domestic abuse...) and mail you a permit in 30 days. The permit is necessary to carry a loaded pistol in your vehicle and to carry a pistol concealed on your person.
While you wait, spend some time learning firearm safety, take a class or two, and read up on the law:
Chapter 9A.16 RCW: Defenses
and another great resource:
PS It is illegal under federal law to saw off a shotgun. Also, it is illegal in WA to carry a loaded long gun (rifle or shotgun) in your vehicle.
October 2nd, 2009 08:50 PM
Others have given you some great advice.
Originally Posted by efowler53
I just wanted to comment on the sentence I quoted. A gun is not a toy or tool to be used to "scare someone off".
State laws will very but waving a gun at a reckless driver or some road rage maniac is not the thing to do. Best thing is to drive to some populated area or find a LEO while calling 911 on the phone.
October 2nd, 2009 10:34 PM
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