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    My faith is not in Glock ...

    ... or Ruger, or any other piece of machinery.

    I read through the forums that people get a sense of well-being from carrying a loaded gun. Some feel better with a larger gun. Been there; done that. Something is wrong with putting my faith in a man-made object.

    I'm not proselytizing or preaching. I am declaring that there is both a rational sense of being prepared with objects which removes anxiety (having some savings in the bank, a fire extinguisher in the kitchen, spare batteries for hurricane season, a shotgun by the bed at night, a .45 IWB at the mall) and there is also an irrational sense of emotional dependence on weapons, especially concealed guns, to provide a sense well-being. Irrational is not bad per se, but I sense a mild pathology in some posts; those posts are the reason for this thread.

    I like the guns I have (especially blackpowder, which is as close as I've yet come to reloading). The engineering, craftsmanship, and utility are (to varying degrees) a source of delight and wonder. I enjoy handling them, as I do handling my bow or a well-made knife. The same feeling occurs when I finish setting up a treestand and scale its sturdiness for a test-view. But that sense of wonder at craftsmanship pales to transparent when compared to the sensation of watching sunrise from that stand, watching squirrels climb out of the nest at dawn, or seeing a fawn trail a doe through the brush.

    But there was a time, years ago, when my guns meant more to me. They then provided a sense of well-being which was lost when separated from them. To be unarmed was to lack confidence in myself, to feel vulnerable in the very world which nurtured me to adulthood. That was wrong!

    It is one thing to perceive a threatening situation and feel vulnerable. It is something else altogether to let the mere absence of a handy machine take away the peaceful relaxation of lying on a beach, swimming in a pool, or just walking down the street to church.

    So let me exhort those who share my fascination with firearms, my proud exercise of fundamental and constitutionally assured rights, and my desire to encourage others to join in these pursuits. There is a point beyond good sense where the machines become idols, where they act as talismans against fears which do not otherwise exist, where we devote so much of our confidence to hardware that it becomes an article of faith rather than a reasoned decision.

    Perhaps, perchance, there is even a bit of foolishness in letting the easy access to arms lead one to enter or stay in a threatening environment when exit is both possible and honorable... to let the option of fight or flight be driven by armament rather than preservation.

    I have a strong and living faith which works without any machinery, a faith which may even prefer martyrdom to self-defense. My faith is not in Glock.

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    'Very profound thought, FLSquirrelHunter. Thank you.

    I've noticed there were times that my thoughts were overly clouded with 'what if' scenarios, instead of focusing on enjoying the moment. There are some here that will argue that your SA can never be too keen. However, I push back when it taints precious moments with my family. I suspect that many here on this board have been faced with pure evil before, and that event forever changes our view of the world. However, it's wrong to let that event continue to rob you of your quality of life. This is a DC board, and this thread wanders toward Faith, which I am happy to discuss with anyone who cares to take this offline.

    Good post. And the Glock is still my favorite handgun!
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    Well, here's the way I see it. I'm as pro-gun, pro 2A as anyone. However, to say "I don't feel comfortable unless I can carry inside Disney World" is a bit...well alarming to my mind. That is to take a recent topic on these forums and spin it a bit. The thing is, for me anyway, you cannot go around everywhere thinking something bad is going to happen. You'll never really get to relax and enjoy things because you'll always be carrying the burden of responsibility for having a CCW permit and a firearm on your belt.

    Then again, Glock...oh how I love em.
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    Carrying a weapon should not distroy your peace. It should add to your peace. For myself it adds peace of mind to myself and to my wife. If she is happy I am happy. To the OP very good insight into what should be genuine peace and to a false sense of that peace.
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    It is one thing to perceive a threatening situation and feel vulnerable.

    It is something else altogether to let the mere absence of a handy machine take away the peaceful relaxation of lying on a beach, swimming in a pool, or just walking down the street to church.
    Has anyone observed that, in others? Or, is that merely assumption that some folks simply must be missing out on life, based on impressions from a post on the internet? Differing standards, perhaps?

    The same sort of thing is said, essentially, of anyone who trains and dedicates themselves with focus and drive to achieve a certain basic competency, skill and understanding. Witness the sorts of things one hears about swimmers, as in "he/she has got water on the brain, he trains so hard"; or, any "martial" or defensive arts, as in "he/she must like to fight"; or a parent's mild admonitions to little Johnnie/Jeannie when "he/she doesn't leave enough time for chores, anymore". These and other little digs and denigrations come with the territory, when one takes on a responsibility to dedicate the time and resources to gain in these things (competency, skill, understanding). It's worse with defensive training, firearms and other similar things, given the "combative" and "evil black gun" nature of it all. Still, it doesn't make such claims real. They're only claims, generally digs/denigrations that are based on fears and misunderstanding and that are little different than what's said by some regarding others who train in anything.

    Remember this, as well: folks come here specifically to discuss such things. However, that doesn't mean folks don't also focus on other things. Something to consider when thinking that someone's posts are all-suggestive of missing the boat on one's larger life.

    Seems to me that sufficient training and time in the saddle helps one easily go about one's business and life, while simultaneously being reasonably prepared for eventualities in a manner that in no way detracts from any normal experience of the day. It's a simple fact that many disciplines FOCUS on balance as a central aspect of the training. Balance of all things, not just the skills required to become better at the art, sport, whatever. For many, it's the whole point of the training. That means something.

    Being trained and reasonably prepared can help a person attain a measure of peace through familiarity and understanding, rather than the opposite due to unfamiliarity, fear and ignorance. That can add to a person's experience, allowing easier focus on what really matters, that which we seek to defend and protect. For the sane and rational, there should be no conflict as you fear.
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    I don't get as you put it 'a sense of well being' by having a concealed firearm.

    I do however get a sense of preparedness. I don't look at the firearm as the beat-all-end-all solution to problems. The firearm is just a tool......of which the firearm is just one of them.

    I also carry other tools, some of which can be used in defense if necessary:
    - I carry a light to see in the dark, but also to blind & disorient an attacker.
    - I carry a knife to cut things like boxes or the odd loose string, but it can be used in defense if necessary.

    I also enjoy the engineering of firearms & love improving on them.....but I also look at improving my skill with these tools as well.

    I have faith in God.....I just don't ignore that other men don't share that faith & may wish to do harm. Just like you have insurance in case something does go wrong, the firearm is another tool in being prepared.

    If the time ever comes to need it....I wish to be prepared instead of wishing that I had been ........

    The most necessary item to carry with you on your travels thru life is your brain. You need that more than you need anything else.You need to engage your mind & know who, what & where to avoid......but if that doesn't work, it always helps to be prepared.

    You mentioned the joy you get out of watching squirrels & fawns....I love those things as well (that's why I live on a farm away from civilization)......I also have seen coyotes kills fawns.......& hawks or fox kill squirrels. The lesson I take from that is......I will not be PREY!
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    I like all the things you mentioned AND am fascinated by firearms.

    Don't see a conflict............

    If you are simply stating they we are too "materialistic," then you are absolutely correct.

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    I have seen this. Or at least, some people look this way to my view.

    I'd also add that without proper training, carrying a gun may not be terribly helpful. It's a gun as talisman mentality, of which I'm somewhat guilty.

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    It is good to take time to "Stop and smell the roses" I'm still carrying when I take those moments, but I'm not dwelling on the gun or the possible, yet highly unlikely, bad guy around the corner.

    God gave man the ability to make choices for ourselves. I choose to follow HIS word as closely as I can and choose to protect myself and my family so they can also choose for themselves.

    I appreciate the thought provoking post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe View Post
    I have seen this. Or at least, some people look this way to my view.

    I'd also add that without proper training, carrying a gun may not be terribly helpful. It's a gun as talisman mentality, of which I'm somewhat guilty.
    That's about right. Many people think they can buy a gun, get a CCW and go, ready for battle. I laugh but it's actually quite scary.

    I have a different mindset than most people here and from my postings you might have seen it. I don't need to carry every day. I carry most days, not 24/7/365. I don't feel uncomfortable about it and don't have to think about carrying into Disney etc. Sure I do like to carry my firearm, but if I simply can't because of the location I'm going to or my dress then I'm not going to be upset about it. That's just me. I love my guns and I have nothing against those of you who want to carry 24/7/365 and sleep with a pillow under your gun

    I can see both sides of it. I fall somewhere down the middle. One one hand you want to never worry about being unarmed no matter what always ready just in case. On the other hand you look at it as a tool that you can use if you choose but doing so might limit your enjoyment of certain activities (think roller coasters that throw you upside down) at certain venues. Believe it or not there are people who have the Dirty Harry vigilante attitude about carrying and they'll be nervous wrecks in many locations because they are carrying and waiting for something to happen.

    I think there is too few of us looking into the training and practice aspect of firearms and too many just wanting to feel big by carrying. Remember, not everyone who carries reads these forums.

    I can have a good time while I'm carrying and enjoy things sure. I just have to limit things I actually do such as going to a bar and throwing a few drinks back. I can't do that armed. Also certain areas are off limits like ball games(at least in FL), and while theme parks came up in one discussion and there were people discussing ways to get into the park armed and reasons for wanting to be, I don't necessarily feel the need to do so even if I can. It's personal choices that make us individuals and it's who we are.
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    My faith is not in Glock ...
    My faith is not in Glock either.............my faith is in myself. I just choose Glock to go everywhere with me while having faith.

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    Having seen a lot of bad things that happen to nice people, in the best of environments, I tend to favor being prepared.

    I will go no place with a gun that I wouldn't go if I wasn't armed. I will admit however to liking some guns more than others. I look at my guns as tools, and view them as such. I like good tools, that are the proper tool for the task at hand. I don't use a Screwdriver to put a nail in a stud.

    As far as going places, I often don't go places because I am armed, instead of the other way around. I believe that carrying responsibly carries with it some social responsibilities. I also believe that the only gunfight that qualifies as a good one is the one that didn't happen.

    With all that said, I enjoyed your post and must find the time for deep introspection on what you wrote. Thank you for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLSquirrelHunter View Post
    I have a strong and living faith which works without any machinery, a faith which may even prefer martyrdom to self-defense.
    It's not martyrdom if you let them kill you. Many's an early Christian was martyred in the Coliseum, but they had no other option. If they didn't die there, they would have been killed some other way.

    We have the obligation to protect innocent life to the fullest extent possible. If there is something you can do to defend yourself from imminent peril, you must do it. If that means carrying a firearm, then so be it. I would not consider myself a martyr if I were on the street and someone knifed me in the gut. Your life is valuable and should be protected.

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    Grasshopper has grown up...

    There is wisdom in your words...and though you can't alway pick your path
    each person, man or woman, must determine how he will travel that path...
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    ...there is also an irrational sense of emotional dependence on weapons, especially concealed guns, to provide a sense well-being.
    Yes!

    I have long since though about starting a threat like this.

    Boys and girls, there is a lot more to life then carrying a firearm 24/7. If I had to carry all the time, i would miss out on some of it.

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