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This is a discussion on Springfield, PLEASE make this! within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Rock and Glock The specs lead me to............a Glock 36, sans external safety......... Just couldn't resist! I agree, but the thumb safety ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    The specs lead me to............a Glock 36, sans external safety.........

    Just couldn't resist!
    I agree, but the thumb safety is kind of a big deal to me, especially if I'm going to pocket-carry it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    I agree, but the thumb safety is kind of a big deal to me, especially if I'm going to pocket-carry it.

    To each they're own. I pocket carry both my G26 and my G36, but I can understand you thought process too.

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    Just a few more steps and you should be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeEric View Post
    We are all getting close! I still think you need to get rid of some of that frame under the slide.
    Like this....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TH48 View Post
    Just a few more steps and you should be there.
    I wasn't planning on getting the ergonomics quite that far off balance....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    To each they're own. I pocket carry both my G26 and my G36, but I can understand you thought process too.
    Absolutely. I guess it's just a matter of the individual's comfort zone. The nice thing is that on most polymer types, the thumb safety is very unobtrusive, so a person could just leave it off if they prefer and probably never really notice it again.
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    There is no room for a recoil spring of sufficient length to allow the slide to retract enough to pick up a round out of the magazine.

    Fail.

    The pocket .45 already exists.

    Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro 40 View Post
    There is no room for a recoil spring of sufficient length to allow the slide to retract enough to pick up a round out of the magazine.
    Yeah, that would be an insurmountable problem, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metro 40 View Post
    The pocket .45 already exists.

    Yes, I'm aware of these. But I have to ask....what's the operating principle? Are these not blowback?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of these. But I have to ask....what's the operating principle? Are these not blowback?
    No, they are Browning tilt-barrel design, same as most service caliber semiauto pistols. They have 3" barrels, providing the necessary length of recoil spring (just barely) to make a workable design. I imagine a small, useable blowback .45 would be darn near impossible to make. Look at all of the slide mass that the Hi-Point .45 requires to achieve a blowback pistol in that caliber.
    Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backnblack View Post
    The G36 isn't much larger than that.... :)
    Actually, it is...I carry one daily!
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    Yepper. You have a host of other problems also.

    You'll probably only be able to stuff 5 + 1 in there...max.

    The grip safety would need to go since they can't operate properly on super chopped frames. You could get some sort of a thumb safety on there though.

    You could simplify things up by going to a European style magazine release on the butt.

    Then there is a slide mass problem and a recoil spring problem also.

    Then since you're trying to go as compact as possible....just getting rid of the front sight would be wise and you could opt for a gutter trench sight milled into the top of the slide.



    I like your thinking. What you are attempting to do has already been tried.
    Have you ever seen the little baby Semmerling .45 acp? It's sort of a rare bird.
    It is NOT a semi-auto though it looks just like one.
    It is actually best classed as a 4+1 manual repeater.
    You fire a shot and then the slide needs to be manually racked forward each time to chamber a fresh cartridge.
    It was a beautifully manufactured piece of machine work.
    I remember back when you could special order one for about nine hundred dollars.
    Yes, they ARE still being made by AMERICAN DERRINGER CORP. Don't even ask the price.
    Well, hint hint - This one is for sale right now on Gunbroker.com and it has bids of $2,500 RESERVE NOT MET. <~~~

    "The legendary Simmerling is one of the smallest .45 ACP's ever made. This incredible vest pocket pistol has a 5-shot capacity, and the first round is carried in the chamber ready for instant use just like a revolver or a larger frame .45 Auto. The LM4 weighs in at just 24 oz., and is only 5.2 x 3.7 inches in size with a thickness of 1 inch. The LM4 will be produced in limited quantities."

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    Remember NOT to send the request to Springfield Armory. You will need to send the request to the actual manufacturer of the XD line of pistols in Karlovac, Croatia. You may want to expedite the request by first translating the text into the Croatian language first.

    Send your pre-translated request to:

    Attn: Ivan Žabčić or Marko Vuković
    HS Produkt
    Bogovića Mirka 47000
    Karlovac, Croatia

    You can also call with the help of an English to Croatian translator: +385 47 645 590









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    Quote Originally Posted by gglass View Post
    Remember NOT to send the request to Springfield Armory. You will need to send the request to the actual manufacturer of the XD line of pistols in Karlovac, Croatia. You may want to expedite the request by first translating the text into the Croatian language first.

    Send your pre-translated request to:

    Attn: Ivan Žabčić or Marko Vuković
    HS Produkt
    Bogovića Mirka 47000
    Karlovac, Croatia

    You can also call with the help of an English to Croatian translator: +385 47 645 590









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    Okay. Maybe I'll send it to Colt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    You'll probably only be able to stuff 5 + 1 in there...max.

    The grip safety would need to go since they can't operate properly on super chopped frames. You could get some sort of a thumb safety on there though.
    I'm okay with 5+1. The slimmer, the better. You must have missed this in my original post: I want a manual thumb safety on it (of course, it's not visible from this side unless I make it ambidextrous. Maybe I will).

    Anyway, I agree about the grip safety, so it's gone:



    EDIT: No more front sight. This will have trench sights, ala the Colt New Agent, with a sight point embedded in the trench in the front of the slide.
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    I don't like the idea of a pocket .45, for the simple reason that the short barrels really knock the velocity down on this low pressure cartridge. This lessens the likelihood of expansion, even with good, well designed JHP bullets. The .40 S&W out of short barrels are still high velocity, and have a much better chance of creating that "bigger hole" that .45 lovers are always talking about. Added capacity in .40 is a bonus.

    Not to start a caliber war, or anythng......
    Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.

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