bought two today
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October 24th, 2009 06:27 PM
bought two today
So I went down to Virginia Arms today to look or buy a gun that would serve as CC plus HD. I wound up buying a real nice 642. It had some factory wood grips on it that made all the difference as far as my middle knuckle not hitting the bottom of the trigger guard, and also letting me get my pinky on it.
Went down to a local range and fired a box of stock 38sp fmj's. I am very out of practice. My groups were about 6" at 20ft. I think I did just as well(poorly) firing by point and shoot as I did using the sights. Oh well, I need practice.
I cut my inner thumb with the first round, on the thumb piece, and bled on it.
Well, I get home, and there's a voicemail from the gunshop telling me that they messed up on the paperwork and to call them. When I called them the owner told me that my backround check didn't come back as approved, and they need me to bring the gun back. ( 45 minute drive each way ).
I said no problem, I know I'll get approved, as my CC permit just got renewed, so not sure why the holdup now, but i'll just wait a few days whatever.
I get to the shop and Bernie meets me and apologizes sincerely for the messup, and told me he would offer me some perc or discount etc... Real nice guy.
So I looked at some more guns while I was there, and saw a model 64 SS. Sweet looking and feeling gun. Nothnig like solid stainless steel !!
I asked the salesman to ask the owner how much he'd take off of it. He came back and said he'd knock $100 off for my trouble, bringing the gun down below $500. They usually never discount the guns beyond what they already have them tagged at, so that seemed like a great deal to me so I snatched it up.
Just a wonderful day all in all. Hadn't shot a gun in probably 2 years, have my old Taurus upstairs loaded with federals, just collecting dust. Now I am going to join the local range and shoot regularly because I see I need the practice, and I have 2 great new guns to practice with.
I just have 3 quick questions.
Do the triggers on the 642 and the Model 64 get a little easier after some practice or do I need to get some smithing done to do that. They seemed a bit stiff to me.
These things don't have a tranfer bar system that I can see, so do you know if it's ok to dry fire them ? The salesman kid said it's fine, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Want to make sure before I damage them.
I don't seem to care much about shooting with the sights at the 7 yard range. It seems that it takes too long to sight it in, and feel like it would be best to learn to just use the barrel and practice point and shoot to see if I can get my groupings consistently within a few inches. Does that seem like a good way to go ?
I'm thinking now of practicing first with the paper real close ( like 5 or 10 feet ) to get the feel of that style, and then move it out to 15 then 20 feet.
Does anybody practice like this or should I spend a significant percentage of my shots using the sights ?
Maybe using the sights will be different with the 4" bbl, I'll find out next week when I get it and shoot it. Man I'm excited. Thanks for listening, sorry it's so long.
October 24th, 2009 06:36 PM
Good deal you got at your store....and good choice on the 64. I have practiced a lot of point shooting, and if you are really interested, there is an excellent book on the technique, called "Quick or Dead".....by William L. Cassidy. I find I do a lot better pointing with my snubs, than trying to aim them. Start at closer distances....like 7-9 feet, then work up to 7 yards. If you can consistently get them in COM on a silhouette...then you are doing fine.
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October 24th, 2009 07:01 PM
I'll definitely check out that book.
October 24th, 2009 07:14 PM
Sounds like you got a great deal... Yes, you can dry fire both the guns and that will smooth out the triggers. Use the dry fire time for practicing draws and trigger control. It will help your shooting tremendously.
Did things get worked out on the background check or are you still waiting?
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October 24th, 2009 07:31 PM
Thanks TX. Good to know it's not damaging to dry fire it.
This just happened today, so I assume I'll have to wait a few days now for the backround check to come through. But I have no idea the reason it didn't go straight through.
The salesguy said that sometimes they just don't get to it on the weekend and it comes back as not approved yet or something like that.
I just renewed my ccw about a month or two ago, so I don't understand what the hold up can be, but they said it happens regularly so .....
October 24th, 2009 07:42 PM
Trigger will get better
I've had a S&W 642 for about 12 years, and the trigger does become smoother over time, with shooting and dry firing. It is a very difficult gun to shoot accurately, however, because of its light weight, minimal sights, short barrel and short grip. But I doubt if you would ever use it at much distance, since it is purely a close range defensive gun.
I also have some steel snubbies, and they are easier to shoot than the aluminum frame 642. The photo below shows my 642 next to my steel model 60, which is the same size but weighs 6 ounces more.
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October 24th, 2009 08:51 PM
Thanks Pogo2. Good to know about the triggers. Nice pair of heaters you got there. :-))
Got another question. Now that I'm more committed to getting better, and thinking of joining the range, I figure I may shoot at least 1000 rounds out of each gun a year. Mostly simple 38sp rounds.
So are these guns ( the 64 and 642 ) both rated to fire that many rounds over a lifetime ? Probably a stupid question, but just wondering if I should plan on any overhauls or special inspections or anything at the 10,000 round point or something like that.
October 24th, 2009 08:53 PM
Very Nice INDEED! A work of art! Congrats!
October 24th, 2009 10:05 PM
At 10,000 rounds they'll likely both be doing great but truthfully that'll take a LONG time.
you may want to consider buying 1000 wadcutters or "semi" wadcutters from Georgia Arms. It's about the best price you can get and the wadcutters would be ideal for extended practice from a snubbie. they're mild on the recoil. Also some folks used to use 158 grain wadcutters as a self defense load. I believe there are better JHP rounds available today, however, if you had to use your practice ammo for SD I believe a wadcutter would be a lot better than your typical full metal jacket.
Very nice guns and we all have a challenge shooting snubbies well. I have a 642 and it took me years to get good with it. I ended up also getting a S&W 640-1. It's all stainless with a full 2" barrel and full underlug. It's a pure dream to shoot but it's heavy for pocket carry so the 642 is dedicated pocket carry and the 640 rides IWB.
Enjoy your new guns!!
October 24th, 2009 10:13 PM
Great stuff, thanks for the encouragement and the advice.
I'll definitely check out Georgia Arms and the wadcutter stuff.
October 24th, 2009 10:19 PM
Congrats, fwellers! And to pogo2, thanks ever so much for sharing the photo. Very nice "gun porn"
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October 24th, 2009 10:23 PM
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October 24th, 2009 10:43 PM
Unfortunately my guns are keeping the bench warm at the gunstore until my backround check completes.
October 24th, 2009 11:28 PM
Dry fire the heck ou tof the 642 itll get better.
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October 25th, 2009 01:05 PM
If you like the 642 you would love it's all SS brother the 649!! I carry mine in a Mika pocket holster 90% of the time.
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