I have the 851UL SS. It's my daily carry. I actually hate it very much. The first 2 times to the range, the cylinder wouldn't fully rotate to the next round. A star gear flaw from what I'm reading. The third time to the range was AOK and I've been carrying knowing that if my life depended on it, I might only get one shot off ;-< I will send it back to be repaired if I confirm the flaw at the range again and I will be selling it as soon as the factory repairs it. POS as far as I'm concerned. The MRS has had good luck with her Taurus PT92 stainless but I can't stand the sight picture it presents. The front blade basically covers the target to get a bullseye. She doesn't mind it but I think that's because she hasn't shot a nice site picture pistol. No sir, no more Taurus's for me.