Here's a .pdf with differences between the 870 Express and 870 Police (870P):
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I have a cheap black plastic-and-steel Mossberg 500, staning in a bedroom corner, loaded, next to the head of my bed. It ain't pretty but it will do and is good enough to cover or fill up my hallway with double-ought buck.
I have a Mossberg 500 with the extended magazine (7+1) and have a Benelli M 1 Super 90 in transit. :)
The Mossberg is excellent: Price and features, reliability and parts; recoil is tough with 3" Magnums and 00 Buck. Like this, except the magazine extends to the end of the BBl. I was always concerned I couldn't train enough to never short stroke the pump during a "matter".
Benelli: Pricey, but a history of reliability and ruggedness, similar to this:
I can't compare the two yet, but I have a feeling the Benelli is going to be a favorite. I'll never worry about short stroking the Benelli.
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I like the Mossberg 500a great gun. and if you have a smaller wife or girlfriend the c is also a fine choice that is the 20g.With the piston grips for my personal HD weapon for the easier handleing in close quarters.
Just bought a Mossy 500 BullPup. Ugly as home-made sin, but the specs appealed to me.
Clicky --->88 Security
I have the 8 round version of the Maverick and I kinda wish I had gotten the 6. There are more replacement barrels to change the shotgun from a short barrel HD scatter to a longer rifled slug for deer hunting or a longer choked for Bird and even a .50 caliber Muzzleloader! There is no (that I have found so far) 8 shot barrels that do all of that, there is only 3 on the Maverick web site and none of them are rifled. Anyway, I love my Maverick. I might just buy a second that is the 6 shot for the barrel interchangeability.
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My opinion is that most so-called home-defense shotguns are gimmicks and not well suited to their purpose.
Better to use your regular hunting and clay target shooting shotgun, that you are familiar with, and shoot regularly. I'm amused when some well-meaning newbie shows up at our gun club with his new home-defense shotgun, and can't hit anything with it. We try to help them. but the real solution is to shoot several hundred rounds at moving clay targets.
Most people would be better off with a handgun.
P.S. I fire several thousand shotshells at clay targets every year, but our home defense weapon is a 6 shot Colt revolver.
I looked at both mossbergs and 870s.
At first I was going to get a high cap mossberg but didn't for two reasons.
1) I didn't like the 20" barrel, the shotgun seemed so much longer compared to an 18" barreled shotgun.
2) I didn't like the controls compared to the 870. Some day I might change out the stock to something with a pistol grip (in addition not a pistol grip only stock) and the safety lever on the mossberg doesn't work well with this setup.
I picked up a very basic 870 with the stock remington +2 extension tube. I am going to put on a XS big dot bead sight and maybe a side saddle and call it a day.
Simple, inexpensive and it will get the job done.
you know from your example that a combat/defense shotgun with a 18 or 20 inch barrel isn't meant for shooting clays or birds, these are meant to shoot a human being center mass thats trying to kill you or your family, the military doesn't use 28" vent ribs, neither do cops
my 20" mossberg 500 and my duty Remington 18" 870 are much better suited for this, I practice with all my weapons, makes no difference, just like I practice with my different sized handguns
I use my 28" Ithaca or my 28" Savage or 28" Remington barrel to shoot birds or clays
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I roll with the Mossberg 590A1 with a Knoxx stock...love it!
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I chose the BENELLI "NOVA"
2. Offers as an assy. a "mercury recoil compensator" 12ga 00 buck can be a "problem" for some (esp. the spouse ) & this GREATLY reduces it.
3. GOOD choice of "shell lengths"
4. Mag. tube extension avail.
5. Ease of "dis-assembly"
6. Good sights
7. IMHO, good $$$
Note - a hint - recoil can also be redused on most shotguns, by by using "top quality" reduced recoil ammo such as Hornady TAP.
Here is mine ( set up for hunting (sans the extension.)
This may not be a popular opinion but if you're looking for a well made inexpensive HD shotgun, check out the Pardner Protector or the Norinco 982 (sometimes called 'Interstate Arms'). Both have HD standard 18.5" barrels.
Not made in America, which may be a deal breaker for you. But no one can dispute the range reports. Just about as flawless as you can get. I haven't had one FTE or FTF in my Pardner yet. Many people report no issues after 1,000's and 1,000's of rounds.
The Pardner Protector has the benefit of having all parts (save for the barrel) interchangeable with a Remington 870. I have an 870 Knoxx stock and forend on my and they fit like a glove. If you do want a different barrel, they can be had for as little as $70.
The Norinco has the benefit of free Ghost Ring Sights.
With little looking around you can get either of them out the door for around $200 or less.
Results of a 5 sec. Google search:
Shotguns by Harrington & Richardson / NEF - NEF PARDNER PUMP PROTECTOR SHOTGUN 12/18.5" 5RD BL/SYN by Personal Security Zone
Interstate Arms Black Synthetic 12 Ga Defender w/18.5" Barre for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $185.00
My HD/SD shotgun is a police trade-in Mossy 500 with an 18" barrel and a Knoxx recoil stock. Mag cap is 5 rounds. With the Rem 870, it's easier to expand your mag cap but not near so with the Mossy 500. The safety on the 870 is by the trigger guard whereas the Mossy 500 is on the tang of the receiver. Both guns are great tools if you train with them and except their limitations.
I love my big ole' 12 gauge 500 and if I can get to my vault, it's a toss up between that and my AR. But... staring down the hallway at that big ole' hole in the barrel is one persuasive argument!
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<----My LT was unhappy that I did not have my PASS-Tag at that fire. But I found the body so he said he would overlook it. :)