S&W 640-1 is a Fighting Gun

This is a discussion on S&W 640-1 is a Fighting Gun within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Rexster Because technology marches on. If one buys a chamber reamer, and lengthens the chambers of a 40-year-old Model 60, one will ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexster View Post
    Because technology marches on. If one buys a chamber reamer, and lengthens the chambers of a 40-year-old Model 60, one will quickly wreck that gun if fired with magnums.

    Metallurgy has improved, and there are structural changes, too.
    Thanks, I can understand that, I guess I was more curious why they would re-use the number....
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    S&W has re-used other model numbers, for even more dis-similar guns. 520 and M460 come to mind.

    The first Model 520 was a fixed-sight N-frame .357 Magnum.

    The first M460 was a Performance Center variant of the model 642.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabre03 View Post
    Blue Jacket did you put the sights on yourself; if not who did you use.
    No way! I had the local gun range gunsmith put it on. He said he had a somewhat difficult time because the factory sight was inserted so well and tight. He had to split it and drill it out of the barrel slot. He charged me $35.00. Well worth it for me. I've used his services before. It's great to have a local gunsmith.
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    You got a GREAT deal at that price!! Most used 640-1's in the condition you mentioned are going for between $500 and $600 right now. I have the exact same gun and love how the weight helps tame .357's and makes it enjoyable to shoot .38+p's out of it!

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    Gideon did you keep the factory grips. When I saw it I thought I would put some nice wood boot grips on it, but when I fired it I really liked the factory grips.

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    $450 for like new is a fine buy. Good examples always go for at least $400 on gunbroker, and oftentimes more like $500 or even $550. Plus shipping, plus ffl fees. You did fine.

    The clinton lock on new ones makes an older one worth more; also, the triggers on older models are sometimes better.

    I keep an eye out for one, though my recently-acquired early production sp101 has quenched the urge to some degree.

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    A very nice buy...great snubbie!
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    Great buy man.
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    I should be getting my (used but new to me) 640-1 within a couple weeks.

    Just what exactly is the difference between a 640 and 640-1"
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    Congrats, I've has mine since they were released a long time ago. User it as a BUG most of the time. You're observations mirror mine, they shoot like a bigger gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyCop View Post
    I should be getting my (used but new to me) 640-1 within a couple weeks.

    Just what exactly is the difference between a 640 and 640-1"
    Model 640 "No Dash" - .38 special only (.38 special frame)
    Model 640-1 (1996): .357 magnum version (the "J Magnum" frame)
    Model 640-2: .38 Special NYPD only
    Model 640-3: (2003) .357 w/Internal key lock
    Model 640-4: (2003) .38 Special w/Internal key lock

    New production is now the 640-3 (Plain Jane .357) and 640-1 as the "640 Pro"

    This is from the SW Standard Catalog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabre03 View Post
    It shot a little low with 125 grain bullets; the 158 Grain .357 Mag reloads shot to POA but were pretty brutal. Anyone have a hand load that replicates the 38 Special +P 158 Grain LSWCHP?
    Why not just fire .38SPL 158g LSWCHP out of it, like the Buffalo Bores? (Uh, because he wants a 158g LSWCHP in a .357 case; duh. See way not, below.) Any Magnum load is probably going to be brutal out of a snubbie. At least you know your sights are regulated for 158g bullets.

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=105

    S&W 640-1 .357 Magnum

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=110 should feel like a light load.

    The tactical reload: Short (2 to 2.5 inch) barreled revolvers have short ejectors. Those short ejectors typically used on 2 inch to 2.5 inch barreled revolvers are not long enough to fully eject 357 magnum brass. So if you are forced into a situation where you need to reload your weapon under fire, you will find yourself picking your fired/empty 357 brass out of the cylinder one at a time - this is very bad. On the other hand, 38SPL brass is shorter than 357 brass and those short ejectors will often fully eject 38SPL brass. We have experimented a great deal with short barreled revolvers and have found that 38SPL brass normally offers an advantage if you need to reload your "snub nose" revolver in a hurry.
    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=108

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    Congrats on a great deal! $450 is not bad at all. Last gun show I went to a guy had a well-used one there that had a couple rusty screws. He was asking $550. As another responder said, you may want to consider replacing the front sight with something like the XS Big Dot. It does help with getting on the target. My 640-1 had a smooth trigger right out of the box, but I had a local gunsmith smooth it even more and it is wonderful.
    I'll also second the above post for some of the Buffalo Bore loads - I like the .357 Tactical Lower Recoil load as well as the Standard Pressure.38 spl. load. They do well in my 640.

    Enjoy your new gun!
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