ok enough said I love my sigma 40 sw it is great I shoot it well and I love the amount of fire power it offers and reliability. but honestly it is a bit too big for my 5 8' frame to conceal comfortably without my worrying of printing. And I haven't had a day yet were the gun was just forgot on my body because it was so comfortable to carry. I am seriously in the market to buy a nice new 9mm small frame shooter. I am looking to pay no more than 400 flat thats it. not that I can't afford more but my honest opinion is that if you can't find a reliable pistol for that much then there is no reason to own a pistol for the common man. I thought a bout a bersa thunder 380, a kel-tec pf9, and a taurus millennium pro pt111, and lastly khar pm9. okay so enough said I also had a unique experience at a gun shop today where the guy that was talking to me about loading was just talking all this crap about how he loads and knows so much. then I proceed to ask him how long has he been doing it and he quietly answers 2 years I scoff. his knowledge lead him to believe like most idiots that there is no market for the 380 and that the load data states that it doesn't transfer enough energy. I say okay that may be true at a certain distance but honestly come into my house when it is dark at night "break in" and then let me get my 380 ready and I will proceed to empty a clip on you what will you do. he gets even more quiet. I say enough said if you are smart enough to know that you don't want to get shot with it in close quarters then it has enough stopping power. and honestly no normal person when being shot at is going to think about "hmmm is that a 380 or .45 i am being shot at with" people see or hear gun they panic no matter what their determination or motif is point said. beside all the gun store fools want to say crap like that, how they know so much but honestly I am tired of people behind the counter giving information on stuff they don't actually know nor do they have the data to prove their theory. honestly just because you work at a gun shop doesn't make you the be all end all on gun knowledge someone is always going to know more and if you don't know the definitive answer please stop flinging opinions out there on a whim. back to the story another guy says I carry a .45 everyday and it is always concealed and I can do it in nothing but t shirt and shorts. I say great energy transfer but what about the people behind the guy you shoot? anyways back to my point help me pick one of these pistols with details on why i should buy it as they are all smaller than my current .40 sw any of them will be a great change. also a gun shop here wants to charge me 360 for the pf9 and another had one brand new 4 weeks ago for 249 before tax however they are out now so my question is, is $360 too much for a kel tec?