Does Recoil Matter?
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February 2nd, 2010 10:44 PM
Does Recoil Matter?
For Carry guns and self-defensive purposes, the odds are (God forbid we do have to defense ourselves) it will be at very close and personal distances. With that in mind, is recoil really a factor when choosing a carry gun??
I ask because I always hear about the people who tout the 9mm for the speed and accuracy of followup shots, well if you five feet from the Bad guy, is this really important?? Chances are your probably going to hit them if you keep it pointed at them and just dump the mag, right? I mean to think about it further, self defense shooters probably don't even aim at all, it's point and shoot.
Granted, it it were competition shooting, and a person needed to be precise and speed matter with their shots and a little more distance thrown in the mix, i get the argument and agree completely then that recoil would mean something.
But for Self-Defense purposes, is recoil really that big of a concern?
February 2nd, 2010 10:44 PM
February 2nd, 2010 10:46 PM
The right gun in .40---no; too light a gun----yes.
February 2nd, 2010 11:00 PM
What's too light? Glock 27? PM40? PPS 40? 239?
February 2nd, 2010 11:09 PM
Recoil is a MUCH bigger deal when shooting one handed. In an SD situation you are likely to be moving (and fast) and your target will be moving (and fast). When moving quickly it is very difficult if not impossible to keep two hands on a gun and point it at a target.
I have also read that in many police shootings that were researched, the police officers under stress shot one handed even when they could have used two hands without issues. It seems it is a natural human tendency under stress to fight 2x "one handed" rather then use both hands together.
I personally found that I could not control and handle anything more then 9mm at speed using just one hand. Two handed the difference between 9mm and 40s&w was manageable, but downshift to one hand and I could not control the gun shooting 40s&w and 357sig.
February 2nd, 2010 11:16 PM
I can get back on target just as quick with my 45's as I can with my 9mm's. The 45 kicks more, but gets back on target just about as quick..
Once I learned how to handle the recoil and track the sights, I realized recoil had little to do with how quickly I shot.
Now, lightweight Glocks in 40, for instance, are not nearly as fun to shoot for me though.
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February 2nd, 2010 11:22 PM
I think recoil does matter if it is to such an extent that you are not comfortable shooting the gun (especially one handed) and flinch in anticipation of heavy recoil causing accuracy problems. With practice, and knowing what to expect and becoming proficient with it, it becomes less of an issue. If you're not comfortable with the amount of recoil, it will impact your ability with the weapon.
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February 3rd, 2010 12:49 AM
In my humble opinion, recoil matters less and less the more you train with a gun. As you learn its characteristics and begin to develop muscle memory your confidence and proficiency will go up and recoil will be a negligible factor.
February 3rd, 2010 12:59 AM
Think back to the first time you shot a 9mm you could not double tap it accurately so what do you do? Practice of course and guess what you learn to control it and then you can its the same way with just about any caliber handgun out there practice practice practice and you can learn to control it you should only carry what you feel comfortable with. practice is the solver of 99% of shooting issues.
February 3rd, 2010 01:51 AM
FBI said 80% of gunfights are 6ft or under.
I believe that speed on target shooting is very important.
At 6ft 380 HP are very effective without so much over penetration.
When it happens up close and very fast you may not have time to check out who is behind the BG.
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February 3rd, 2010 02:20 AM
Not to drag this off subject to far, but being 1 in the morning and not much going on anyway..... I was wondering about(Have heard this quite a few times)"OVER PENETRATION".... I have a .380 and everything seems to be about it not getting much penetration. Then I see a few of these comments about trying to keep it from over penetrating....Please if you could 'splan-me.... Thx.... Monk
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February 3rd, 2010 02:44 AM
The fact is, recoil does move the barrel axis off-line. It'll do that whether plinking, in competition, or in a legitimate self-defense situation. Logic dictates it must have an effect and, in order to get that next shot on target, that you'll need to handle the recoil and get that muzzle back to where it belongs. Call it "point" shooting or aiming or something else, but the step needs to be done.
As I have not been in a situation where I have had to fire on another human, I can't say for certain what the effect of recoil has been on me in self-defense situations, other than what I just described applies in other situations in which I have been.
IMO, yes, recoil matters equally, as the physics are the same. Recoil happens, irrespective of whether the target is stationary and paper, or moving and shooting at you.
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February 3rd, 2010 03:01 AM
I have NEVER shot a subcompact pistol ever.
untill i bought my PPS 40 last week.
I was nervous because my PX4 40 has a good deal of recoil. but the pps has almost nothing. I was very comfortable shooting it.
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February 3rd, 2010 03:26 AM
Well - let's think about this:
If you had a .22, you'd have no problem with recoil and could probably shoot on target easily.
If on the other hand, you had a Desert Eagle .50 AE caliber pistol, well I'll just quote Desert Eagle Pistol - Is it a good choice for self-defense?:
So yes, recoil does matter. Training can help reduce this.
I've seen it many times at the range, when the novice shoots .50 AE, his first shot is more or less good, like somewhere 8-10, but after being hammered by that first round, all the attention goes not to aiming, but "HOW DO I HOLD THIS GUN NOT TO HIT MY HEAD".
February 3rd, 2010 04:09 AM
Some interesting views on this thread. What it comes down to is YES, recoil does matter. But what matters more is how you manage it. This depends mostly on shooting technique. Even at 5ft, if you dont manage the recoil of a 9mm properly your group will look like a shotgun when shooting point rapid. Even aimed double taps will be off. I teach shoot to kill, not to wound. This means that your groups should be tight even point shooting. how you manage the recoil is the MAJOR deciding factor in subsequent shots. I have seen people rapidly point shoot a DE .50 with a 2in group at 10ft! Its all technique and practice.
February 3rd, 2010 06:19 AM
Avenger nailed it.
Recoil will always be there, training should make it manageable.
At least 50% of my range time is spent shooting one handed, strong and weak hand. Rapid fire, and moving and shooting where possible.
I know that under stress, my shooting skills are likely to be half as good(or less) as punching holes in paper. The more I can practice and learn to control the recoil the better my chances will be in a defensive situation.
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