S&W 340PD titanium cylinder issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckAZ View Post
    I have had mine for a few months now.. Shoot the short barrel .357 loads from speer as my SD load (They are like 38++P loads not bad at all).. Practice with 38's and full load .357's not bad with the full CT grips..

    But I have been having some issues. The shells fall out fine with 38's and my defensive .357 loads.. but when I shoot full .357's loads the shells are stuck in the cylinder. I push the rod and they come out 1/2 way but still are stuck and I have to pull them out with my hand. Anyone else have this issue? I am thinking possibly the heat is expanding the titanium cylinder and when it goes boom the brass is expanding and getting stuck? Or is my cylinder out of spec?
    The stubby extractor rod doesn't have the length to push the .357 shells out. If you want a complete extraction you will need to twak the rod hard to pop the shells out. At the range I just pull the shells out. I have practiced panic reloads at the range and the shells will extract completely.
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc3169 View Post
    Ahhh... the .357 isn't that bad! lol!
    Let me remind you that the gun weighs 12 oz....oofah! I mean ouch!
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    I bought my 340PD back in 2001 and have carried it more often than any of my other guns. It's easy to just tote it around in my pocket....in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster. It's a pocket gun I can carry with confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razor02097 View Post
    I love the feather weights... people shoot em once and sell em to ya half price LOL
    :) No doubt! I ran across one recently, but I just couldn't see myself practicing with it enough to carry it. In retrospect, practice with .38's probably would've made me proficient with it... but I usually try to do a lot of practice with loads as hot as what I carry.

    Still don't know if I could bring the featherweight back on target quickly enough for comfort.

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    I sent my cylinder away to have it cut to accomodate 'moon clips'. That makes for a very quick reload.
    It has become my constant companion in the summer months. Due to it's lightweight and small size, its much more comfortable to carry when it's hot and muggy, than my .45 Auto.
    Recoil?? Yes --- it does 'buck' a bit but not so much that it can't be handled. As someone pointed out earlier -------- it's not a range pistol -- it's to save your life!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwhite75 View Post
    I have the M&P version and its only 2 oz heavier. Has a steel cylinder. Look at it.
    I heartily second this recommendation. The Ti cylinder saves maybe 3 ounces yet creates all sorts of concerns... recoil, ammo selection, and cleaning chemicals. The M+P removes all those concerns.
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    Oh --- I might add that the pistol comes with Hogue 'Bantam' grips. They're really nice for concealibility. If the recoil really bothers you with those grips, try a Hogue 'Monogrip'. It's larger and softer. If you have big hands you'll probably like it a lot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I heartily second this recommendation. The Ti cylinder saves maybe 3 ounces yet creates all sorts of concerns... recoil, ammo selection, and cleaning chemicals. The M+P removes all those concerns.
    hate to say but even the M&P would have huge recoil and the ammo selection problem. Both can take all standard cleaning solvents and oils. They just tell you not to use abrasives like sand paper and scotch brite pads on the Ti.

    Big concern with .357 magnum ammo selection on the J frames are the fact that recoil can be severe enough to back out the bullets on unfired cartridges. This could lead to jamming. This will be a problem on all fetherweight .357 snubbs. By checking brands you can see how well they crimp their bullets by firing a few rounds and check to see if the bullets are backing out. after you find a good bullet...stick with it. I use 125gr hornaday FTX it passes the tests. Using the same ammo that ruins the Ti cylinder can still cause erosion even if your cylinder is steel. Eventually it will start eroding on any cylinder. These are usually the super hot 110 grain .357 loads. Ones that are designed for longer barrels and have no business being in a snub nose (see example pics in above post).

    Many people lean toward the M&P because of the lower price not because it has reduced recoil.
    Last edited by razor02097; March 15th, 2010 at 07:29 AM. Reason: spelling
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckAZ View Post
    I have had mine for a few months now.. Shoot the short barrel .357 loads from speer as my SD load (They are like 38++P loads not bad at all).. Practice with 38's and full load .357's not bad with the full CT grips..

    But I have been having some issues. The shells fall out fine with 38's and my defensive .357 loads.. but when I shoot full .357's loads the shells are stuck in the cylinder. I push the rod and they come out 1/2 way but still are stuck and I have to pull them out with my hand. Anyone else have this issue? I am thinking possibly the heat is expanding the titanium cylinder and when it goes boom the brass is expanding and getting stuck? Or is my cylinder out of spec?
    Me too. The shall .38 fall out fine, but the shall .357 are stuck in the cilinder of my 360PD

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    Quote Originally Posted by big gary View Post
    I love mine, has about 500 rounds thru it, mostly 38s.
    Hmm. Either, you love it, but don't love shooting it much, or haven;'t had it long.

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    NO THANK YOU! I"ll stick with my 17oz. LCR!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by surefire7 View Post
    Also using lighter weight bullets with the heavy recoil will cause the remaining ones in the cylinder to back out of their casing a bit and not allow you to fire as the cylinder cannot rotate. Heavier bullets and those with a deep crimp don't have that problem.

    Just my opinion but this is the answer...

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    I have two 340PDs.

    I've shot 20-100 rounds each of all the major brand .357 Magnum loads in these guns (not enjoyable), with 110gr, 125gr and 158gr bullets.

    None of the .357 Magnum loads were as accurate or precise as the better .38 Special loads, with the the Speer Gold Dot "short barrel" .38 Special+P 135gr load giving the overall-best results.

    That said, it's important to be careful and relatively gentle cleaning the titanium alloy cylinder face on these little lightweight guns.
    A nylon bristle toothbrush with gentle scrubbing using M-Pro 7 has always been my cleaning method, and my two examples have NO cylinder face erosion, even after something over ten years and several hundred rounds.

    Yes, these are definitely "carried much, shot little" guns.
    They're extremely easy to carry, but not fun to shoot very much, so be sure you can hold strong and hit your desired target on demand if you decide to make one of these your preferred CCW sidearm. Crimson Trace laser grips are definitely an important asset on these little sidearms.

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    Forgot to mention, I've never had any bullet "pulling" occur to interfere with cylinder rotation using any of the .38 Special loads I've shot in the 340PDs.

    Had it happen twice with .357 Magnum loads, though, even including with Buffalo Bore 158gr JHP bullets; cylinder wouldn't turn.

    I think these little lightweight S&W revolvers, while not being easy to shoot (and certainly not fast to shoot) no matter what, are better carried with quality .38 Special+P JHP ammunition, regardless of S&W's advertising hype regarding their ".357 Magnum" status.

    YMMV, etc.
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    I picked one up a few years back .. On a trade ...I'm a sucker for snubbies ...light snubbies .. It was used and dirty .. after a good cleaning .. to the backyard we went .. fun with 38 spl .. snappy with 38spl +P .. really snappy with 357mag .. and case extraction was sticky ... anyway a fellow wanted it more than me and off it went ...
    I learned 357mag = no fun with a lightweight J frame "0" chance of a quick & accurate follow up shot ...
    I have several lightweight 38's ... but to me a 360 PD is a expensive lightweight 38 ....

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