This is a discussion on Carrying cocked and locked in close quarters within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Chevy-SS PRECISELY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet there are many here who insist that 'condition 3' makes a weapon useless, or turns it into a club.- ...
So why exactly do you think a 1911 is perfectly safe for competition but not carry, what exact details make "X" more safe than "Y"?
Don't just make blanket statements, what DETAILED info do you have to support any of your statements that the gun is not safe.
What about a Sig 220 SAO, Hi Power, Colt Mustang, 226X5 etc.? Are those guns that aren't 100 years old not safe as well just because they are single action guns?
I'm just not seeing any real correlation between what your saying about a DA/SA gun being more safe than a 1911. What do you think makes them more safe?.
If you've all ready answered that somewhere I haven't seen it.
Inquiring minds want to know.
"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper
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Carrying a firearm unloaded is like keeping your car parked without tires and then putting the tires on when you need to drive it.
An unloaded pistol is a hammer, period.
I can see a person thinking that he/she is not safe enough to carry a C&L 1911, but never that the C&L 1911 isn't safe enough for the person.
If I gave a crap about what you think about my guns.....it was early this morning and I already flushed it!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
one of the safest CC weapons out there, I myself prefer a 4" model for CC over a 5" model but extremely safe no matter what era it was first thought up in. thinking its not safe make me just think
Last edited by JD; February 6th, 2010 at 04:28 PM. Reason: multi-quote if your friend...
Ok, I'm new here, and I'm not trying to step on toes, but I can't understand why someone who has shot and competed with 1911's for so long can POSSIBLY say that they would not trust it as a CCW weapon.
1911's are probably the safest semi-auto handguns in existence. Cocked and locked is the way to go. They don't go off by themselves. Even if the thumb safety were to become disengaged, the grip safety would need to be depressed AND the trigger pulled.
EVEN IF the hammer should somehow fall on its own, there is a half-cock notch. EVEN IF THAT notch should somehow break and the hammer should actually fall, most 1911's usually have a firing pin safety. Not all, but many do. The hammer could fall all the way down, slam into the firing pin, and the pin would go nowhere.
I trust my 1911's implicity because I know every square millimeter of them and know exactly how each one operates. Not to be rude, but 1911's ARE NOT beginner's guns. One must absolutely study and understand EXACTLY how they operate in order to understand just how incredibly safe they are.
On the other hand, I personally have a MUCH bigger problem carrying say, a Glock with it's "trigger safety". A safety on a trigger? Really???
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A 1911 design handgun has more safeties than any other weapon that civilians can own.
Glocks have about the least number of safeties. A safety on the trigger face, really?? And a relatively short, light trigger pull compared to the DA mode of pistols or revolvers. Yet no one asks if carrying a Glock is safe.
And just to add to the "out of sight, out of mind" mentality, people don't seem to realize that the internal strikers of many DAO "hammerless" guns such as Glocks are carried with the striker partially cocked. No "evil, menacing hammer" in plain sight just looking to fall and shoot an innocent victim at breakfast at Perkins. And how many hunters walk around the woods with a round chambered in their rifle? Or shotgun?
The fact that the military didn't let soldiers carry C&L means nothing. They don't even allow them to carry the Beretta M9 (Beretta 92) with on in the chamber, and that's a DA/SA gun with a safety. Hell, if we're goin there, they DON'T EVEN TRUST soldiers to even HAVE weapons on military bases. If they did, Ft. Hood would have had a whole lot less fatalities and injuries.
1911 was design to be carried cocked and locked..