Kahr P9 or Walther PPS 9mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsee11789 View Post
    Some people have expressed concern over the Backstrap becuse when you remove it it decocks the striker, and there are concerns that it will fall off while you are shooting.


    Here is an animation.
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    Here is the Back Strap Fully Seated




    Here is the backstrap not snapped in place.




    Now... Notice how when I insert the mag. The back strap gets pushed up. The Backstrap is not snapped in but it is held in place by the magazine baseplate.





    Ok.... So here is the backstrap in place but not snapped. You will notice the gap at the top of the strap.






    I racked the slide with the backstrap not snapped in but the mag is holding it. Notice how the Red Striker Indicator is visible. The gun is useable with the backstrap not seated.







    For reference, here is a picture with the backstrap snapped in. Notice the smaller gap.







    Now when I release the magazine, it can no longer support the backstrap and it unseats and decocks the striker. Notice how the Red Dot is no longer visible.






    Also... Notice the teeth in the baseplate. These teeth mate into the backstrap to prevent such a failure. The base plate also covers the button that you must depress to remove the backstrap.



    So if all the planets align and your backstrap decides to pop off. As long as your magazine is in place it will still fire. If you have to do a mag swap then it will decock the gun. As long as you don't let go of the gun when you insert the new mag into place it will support the backstrap and the gun is once again operational.
    Thanks, I think if this was really an issue Walther would be in for a major law suit, if it should ever cause a fatality/injury. I personally am not concerned with this. Hasn't this gun been out over 3 years now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgranda View Post
    Thanks, I think if this was really an issue Walther would be in for a major law suit, if it should ever cause a fatality/injury. I personally am not concerned with this. Hasn't this gun been out over 3 years now?
    So has Toyota.

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    Well...you can guess which gets my vote. I have handled and pulled the trigger on both guns and the Kahr, for me, wins hands down. I didn't like the trigger on the PPS although I liked it better than the Taurus 709 for sure. The Kahr P9/CW9 series just feels better in my hands and I can shoot tight groups with it all day long.

    Like with any other gun you have to get out and practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agksimon View Post
    So has Toyota.
    True, but unlike Toyota no incidents of injuries/fatalities. I need to get my hand on both and see which feels better in my hand. That will probably be my deciding factor at this point. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgranda View Post
    I need to get my hand on both and see which feels better in my hand. That will probably be my deciding factor at this point. Thanks
    Make sure you try both backstraps on the PPS. There is a BIG difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgranda View Post
    True, but unlike Toyota no incidents of injuries/fatalities.
    So if it only fails at the range, (no injuries/fatalities) it's ok to carry to protect your life? Sorry....not following you here.

    BTW....P9 or CW9, hands down! A pistol needs a disabling removable backstrap like a fish needs a bicycle.
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    I have owned both and prefer the PPS.

    I found with the Kahr P9 due to my hand size, being between large and x large, my trigger finger kept hitting my thumb on my other hand. This was quickly remedied by changing my grip, however it was not comfortable for me. The circumference of the grip was just to thin for me. My Kahr P9 was accurate and I never had any failure issues with it. The only issue with it was the polymer on the inside of the frame chipped off exposing metal. The trigger pull was good, however long.

    Now for me, My Walther PPS is perfect. With the larger back strap I find this much more comfortable to shoot, which increases my accuracy. I have not had any issues with the back strap coming loose and falling off. I have the S disconnector and find the trigger pull good, I prefer it over the Kahr. Also I feel the Walther polymer frame is a bit more solid.

    Just my 2 cents, good luck with your decision.

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    I have owned a Kahr P9 in the past, and I experienced a couple of FTFs in the 200 round break-in period. After that it was pretty reliable, however it would abrade the skin at the base of my thumb whenever I shot a hundred rounds or so at the range. I have not fired the Walther PPS, but I have held one several times and the frame felt more comfortable then the one on the Kahr. The only other thing I disliked about the Kahr P9 was that it took two men and a boy just to get the slide release lever out to disassemble the pistol for cleaning. The Walther disassembles the same way as a Glock does which is very easy.
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    dsee11789, thank you very much for the extensive explanation and pictures. To me that's not a huge deal, but I could see how it would concern some.

    I'm kind of leaning toward the PPS at the moment, although I would like to get my mitts on both to handle them. I doubt I would be able to shoot either of them before purchase as there aren't any indoor ranges or places to rent them locally, and the only place I know of is an hour away and doesn't rent either of these guns.

    From the many pictures I've seen it looks like either conceal very well, and both the Kahr and PPS have decent capacity, although the fact that you can get 8rd mags for the PPS is very nice. Like everything else, it will come down to personal preference.
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    I have PPS .40. I have never had an issue with the backstrap . It serves the two functions of helping to modify the grip that best serves your hand and create a safe weapon. I have never heard of the backstrap every coming off while firing. The PPS whether in the 9mm or .40cal flavor is an ideal in the CC or Back up roles, in which is was designed for.

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    Are the PPS's rated for +P ammo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACP4ever View Post
    Are the PPS's rated for +P ammo?
    Yes, but they have the standard "may wear" warning, search on "+P" in the manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdkenoyer View Post
    Yes, but they have the standard "may wear" warning, search on "+P" in the manual.
    It is the same gun as the PPS 40, so 9mm +P shouldn't be a problem

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    Excellent. I was looking at the Taurus Slim, but I'm not thrilled with it not being +P. I like the extra power, especially out of that short of a barrel.
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