This is a discussion on Number of Rounds fired in Gunfight? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Rugergirl Shot Placement? NYPD's SOP-9 reports hit rates of 33%, and other similar studies report the same. Of the 5 shots in ...
The only problem using the "average number of shots fired", is half the people involved used more than the average, and half used less. How do you know which half you're going to be in?
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thanks for the responses. No guns left. Starting from scratch. Had a couple of snubbies, Glock 17, Sig 226, Springfield 1911 and so forth. Carried the sig as a duty weapon but too big for concealed carry. Comfortable with both auto and revolver. Like the idea of SP 101 for concealed carry but the more I think of only 5 rounds multi BGs and missing under stress the Glock 19 might be a better choice. By the way Mitchell I bear the same "mark of Cain" as you
But 68 rounnds? Gosh, they must have both emptied 2 magazines. They stopped shooting when they ran out of ammo?
i used to feel comfortable with my 5 shot j frame .357, but no more.
i bought a glock 23 and a 27. the 27 is about the same size and weight as my .357 j frame both loaded. i like my j frame but sure feel better with 10 .40s plus extra mags. 5 shots go really fast and 5 divided 2 or 3 doesn't work for me.
I don't think that comparing to leo misses is a fair analogy. Most of us put far more rounds down range in a month than most police officers do in a year. If one can deal with the situational stress, then marksmanship and training can be the edge. The LEO's do have the edge on training, initially, but in most departments, live fire is reduced to once...maybe twice a year. Some of the LEO's I know and talk to haven't fired their "duty gun" in months. But, dealing with the stress of the situation, in my opinion, would be the deciding factor.
I'm not being a smart alec, I'm just asking. 68 bullets, one hit and a poor one at that. With 68 shots I would bet they weren't aiming for the leg. 15 feet distance?
Now I am being a smart alec. I've been shooting 2 weeks, I've got 700 rounds under my belt, and granted I'm aiming at a piece of paper 15 feet away, not a BG with a gun aimed at me, I'm able to hit the "cardiovascular triangle" in "Center Mass" with almost tiresome regularity.
Seems to me like it would be awfully hard to shoot a box and a half and only hit your target once. But... I am a newbie, I have only shot holes in paper, I'm not operating under an adrenaline rush, and I'm not a trained professional, yadda yadda yadda.
Does this kind of thing happen often?
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Factor of facing another breathing being instead of a piece of paper, plus it's a being that wants to do you harm AND has the means to accomplish that - there's a full metric butt load of psychology, reflex, instinct and other not so voluntary reactions and stresses to get through to put lead on target.
All you can bank on is training, training - and then some more training. Even then, when it happens - it'll be very different.
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Thanks for your post; I've been looking for something like it for months! I would be interested to hear any more you might have to say on the subject.
I'm looking at an SP101 as well. I plan to carry two speed strips in addition to the loaded gun. Hopefully, I will never need any of it!
I think the BGs these days tend to travel more in groups (thus, gangs - they learned there is safety in numbers) so the old 5-6 shot revolver may have a disadvantage.
However, you sound experienced, if a bit rusty (which can be cured). There are many hi-cap pistols available these days in the same size and weight as the revolvers, so why not take advantage of technology?
As to how many rounds are needed? Sure, there are those who feel you can't carry enough, but maybe they should travel in better places. I think any 10-12+ capacity is more than enough for 95+% cases, and a 7-8 cap is probably okay. I don't see the shoot, reload, shoot, reload again situation very realistic for someone who's walking across the Wally world parking lot and gets robbed.
Do I think I could take down armed 3-4 BGs and walk away untouched? No, but if it came to that, I hope I can get a couple of them off the streets before I go.
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Witnessed it in person once. I was almost arrested for dressing down the cop on the spot. The idiot shot at a fleeing bank robber who was carrying an obvious airsoft gun, with his 40 cal from 1. a moving police car, 2. through his own windshield, 3. at a running suspect on a crowed sidewalk, 4. from approx 75 yards, 5. accross a busy city intersection.
Don't compare cop shootings to those that a reasonable citizen in self defense mode might take.