Appendix Carry - Comfortable, Concealable, Quickest

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    I appendix carry my Walther PPS with a homemade kydex 2 slot OWB with great success. Good concealment and easy access.
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    I started appendix carrying (most of the time) several months ago. I tried out a number of holsters and found that I did not like any clip-on holsters as they shift (change cant) too easily. My best results have been with the Don Hume H715S.O.O.T. (snap loops). However, I have several of them for different guns and there is considerable variation from gun to gun in how high the grip rides. This affects my ability to get a combat grip. My FNP-9 and S&W M&P .45 work out very well, but my S&W 6906 and 6946 ride with the grip way too close to the top of my belt.

    Even with the holster issues, I find appendix carry (actually anti-appendix carry since I am left-handed) to be very comfortable and easily concealable. It also feels much more secure to me than having the gun semi-behind me where someone could easily grab it. It is also MUCH more comfortable when sitting or driving. I have heard complaints from others that the barrel pokes them in the thigh when they sit, but I have not encountered this at all and as you can see above, my guns are not particularly small or short barreled.

    I have also heard people say they don't want the gun pointed at their private parts. I can't see this as an issue if you practice safe gun handling and don't carry an old Colt Peacemaker with a live round under the hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    I believe that appendix carry with an open front cover garment, as in your pic, is much more prone to accidental exposure than carry in the vicinity of three o'clock.
    From Jeff Cooper on Handguns
    "This is a good one for a detective whose need for concealment is not overriding."
    Whether this is a concern is up to the individual..
    Agreed 100%. The reason I showed open front is to show the holster. This requires a closed front like a shirt buttoned up or a t-shirt.

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    At the risk of bucking the positive trend, unless I've completely misunderstood how AIWB works, isn't it a direct violation of firearms safety rule #2? It seems like the muzzle would be pointing at either one's leg or crotch, if not standing then certainly when sitting.

    Gabe's point in terms of accessing from the "3+ o-clock" position while on the ground is a good one, but wouldn't the counterpoint for AIWB be, for lack of a better phrase, "full frontal" contact with the opponent? Trying to get your hand between your body and his, getting and withdrawing and then having to turn the gun to present it doesn't sound great.

    In a close-contact situation, it would seem an AIWB presentation would be more vulnerable to an opponent smothering the draw, since it's happening right in front of him rather than on the other side of your body.

    Lastly, as was reported here recently, a standard/rear belt placement can allow for a more surreptitious draw under the pretext of getting your wallet. I don't know how often that might come up, but personally, I like it. I'd rather have the pretext than obviously revealing the holstered gun to an assailant.

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    I tried appendix carry Saturday with my M&P 9c in a Galco king tuk, which I'm pretty sure is not a holster designed to be worn much forward of 2:30 or so, but I wanted to give it a try with what I had. I found wearing at the 1:30 position to be much more comfortable than my usual 3:00. My stomach is more forgiving than my hip and I was not bothered by that pressing sensation that I've grown to ignore for the most part. Also, as I've mentioned in other threads, I do a lot of squatting, bending and lifting at work. And very often have to raise my arms up over my head. All these movements can affect my sweatshirt to the point I am constantly tugging it below my belt again, but my sweathshirt pretty much doesn't move in front, only the back and sides do. So, another point for appendix carry. Nor did I hear that "clunk" of the base plate hitting the wooden chair as I slid all the way back on the seat. The only thing I really noticed was the bottom of the holster pressing against the top of my thigh as I riased my leg to hop into my jeep and that funny feeling that there was nothing between the people across from me and my gun other than a sweathshirt. It felt like my arm should be shielding my pistol, but that's a feeling I imagine I could overcome. Just my thoughts. I think I'll be looking into appendix carry holsters for my M&Ps. What's another holster ot two? lol

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    I'm also a big fan of appendix carry. I find that a rig that moves a little in terms of cant is more comfortable when sitting, just rotate the gun counter-clokwise slightly. I use High Noon's "Hidden Alley" tuckable for both my PPS and M&P45c.
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    I appendix carry also. PM9 daily. Comfy, concealable, and easy to draw. I have a bad shoulder, so I cannot reach around to 3:30 easily to draw. Appendix works great for me.
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    I have used appendix carry off and on since my discectomy/lamonectomy (sp?) in '07. Putting anything on my hip to kidney area, especially iwb can irritate my low back in short order. When I was recovering from the procedure, and walking around my block I chose to go armed. I used one of those neoprene belly wraps to try to warm up my low back while walking , and tucked a Keltec in the top of the wrap. Later, I used a 342ti that I borrowed from my father. As time went by, and my back healed, I resumed carry of a full sized pistol in iwb at the kidney. Didn't take me long to move to owb. Still could make my low back sore. Additionally, if my back was already irritated, the motion of drawing could really "set it off", so to speak. I soon found carrying at the appendix area seemed feasible. Now, I use appendix carry almost exclusively, wearing either a S&W 442, or Glock 27. I am currently putting a G23 thru its paces, and will determine if I can carry in in the appendix area. To date, the holster I have used for this method has been the Zipslide by WildernessTactical. The little holster is a straight drop, 0 cant beltslide holster that is practically invisible on a WildernessTactical belt in black. I also wear black a-frame undershirts, and more often than not, my over shirt is just a black pocketed T. Combine all that black w a black jframe or plastic fantastic, and most people would overlook it even if the gun were to become exposed momentarily.

    Since my surgery, I've also broken the rule of "no off body carry" in favor of a BLACKHAWK! Serpa in a Maxpedition Gear man purse. Drastic times (or pain) call for drastic measures.

    As one poster made note, it seems appendix carry may violate Rule 2. We must also make mention that The Good Col developed the 4 Rules and yet speaks of appendix carry for Detectives and UC narcs. The fact that Col Cooper addresses this mode of carry must mean that it is indeed viable in the real world. This leads ME to believe that the Rules were to be put in place when actually handling a firearm. In its holster, the pistol or revolver is so not likely to discharge, that it is probably of little consequence where it is directed.

    As I always try to do, I will place a caveat here of: the above posted is the OPINION held by me. Others are most certainly entitled to their opinion, in agreement or not.

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    I just ordered a High Noon Mr. Softy. I'm anxious to try appendix carrying my Glock 26. There are times when I'm around people that I don't want knowing I'm carrying. Many times they have hugged me and come close to bumping my gun. Appendix carry will help avoid these situations. I also feel like it will be a better choice while driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by los View Post
    Excellent report, Gabe.

    AIWB is my prefered method of carry with my G30.
    I Have a G30 also and was wondering what holster are you using?

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    If you like leather, High Noon is the top choice. Me...in AZ I need Kydex. I have our own line of them at OST. The Archangel for standrd sighted guns and the Seraphim for red dot sighted weapons.

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    I have Appendix Carried almost exclusively for the past 2 years with one of Gabe's Archangel holsters with my Glock 17, 19, or 26. I also use one for my 1911s. I sell real estate and am in and out of my vehicle a lot, and needed a better way to access my weapon while seated. This works very well for me. I have the benefit of being pretty physically fit with an athletic build which helps my cover garments drape over my weapon, but I do work out on a regular basis to have this benefit. The Archangel is a very well made holster, and keeps the Georgia heat from making me sweat all over my gun. Major issues with leather appendix holsters is the thickness of them to also have the reinforced mouth for re-holstering. Kydex thickness is much less, which helps with concealment.



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    I have carried a J-frame a couple of times like that without a holster (because I didn't have one that would hold it there) when I wanted to be able to reach it while seatbelted in. It I'd like to have some kind of holster that carries that way with a lot of cant, puts most of the gun just at the top of the belt line. If I could carry it X-draw or appendix, that would be a plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog View Post
    I have carried a J-frame a couple of times like that without a holster (because I didn't have one that would hold it there) when I wanted to be able to reach it while seatbelted in. It I'd like to have some kind of holster that carries that way with a lot of cant, puts most of the gun just at the top of the belt line. If I could carry it X-draw or appendix, that would be a plus.
    I'd like to find a holster with a backward cant for appendix. I'm rt-handed, guess I could get a Crossdraw holster with an extreme cant and move it to 1:00. Think that would work?

    The appendix is good for carry in most activities for me except sitting - and then it feels noticeably uncomfortable.

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    Kahr CW45, High Noon holster. Reading articles from knowledgeable persons such as Gabe made me try it, and now I'm convinced it's best (for me).


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