442 J Frame - Pocket Carry
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I wanted a gun I could have on my person while at ...
June 19th, 2011 01:38 AM
442 J Frame - Pocket Carry
Well I finally got my S&W 442 and a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster.
I wanted a gun I could have on my person while at home that was discreet and comfortable, but not a pop-gun. My prior gun in this category is a NAA .22 mini-revolver. Recently there has been a rash of “burglary of occupied dwellings” in our area. Three in less than 2 weeks. There have also been several cars broken into, but not cars in people’s driveways. These were all cars that were parked in peoples back yards (1/4 – 1 acre lots). So I decided I wanted something a little better than the NAA revolver.
I am 5’10” and ~165 lbs, so by most charts I fall into average height & slightly heavier than average categories. I wear jeans ~95% of the time, and most of them have fairly tight fighting pocket, unlike Dockers or similar pants.
The 442 is much lighter and smaller than my 20+ year old Taurus 85CH. The Taurus barely fits in my front pocket, and even with compact grips, sticks out the top of the pocket by a inch or so. The 442 is also about 10 ounces lighter than the Taurus, at 16 ounces loaded.
The 442 disappears into my pocket with over an inch to spare. When carrying it is no different weight wise than my wallet which is in my left front pocket.
I am able to sit and even drive with zero dis-comfort, though drawing from the front pocket while sitting in the car would be difficult.
I have also have decided to add some extra “padding” to the front of the DeSantis holster to help break-up the outline. Went to the craft store and picked up some thin foam with sticky backing. I’ll see if I can add some extra layering is some areas to hide the shape.
Without doing this, the gun still printed too clearly. This is a function of the tight pockets that most jeans have and would not be necessary with other types of pants. Even without the foam I think that most people wouldn’t notice, but if you carry or are a cop and know what to look for, it would have been visible.
The holster REALLY stays in the pocket of the jeans. I tried removing the gun AND the holster at the same time, and it was impossible! You need to remove the gun, and then rotate the holster to remove it from the pocket.
I’m not going to claim that the 442 is as comfortable as carrying a LCP, TCP, P-3AT or other mini .380 would be. I looked at many of them and gave them all some serious thought! Ultimately I liked the fact that the 442 provided a better grip and a better round, plus “5 for sure”. Not slamming the .380s. A couple friends have them and are quite happy with them. I’ll probably pick up a Bersa CC someday.
Given that this gun can do everything that the Taurus can, but in a smaller, lighter package, it will eventually become my EDC. It does need a quick trigger job and rebound spring swap. Then I need to hit the range and put some rounds through it. I’m assuming that it will be more “interesting” to shoot because of the lighter weight.
1) You lose a front pocket. I even have had to move my clip-on style knife to my left pocket.
2) The 442 really is pushing the limit for a pocket gun. I’m sure that there are some larger people for whom it would be easier. But if you’re an average build individual, the tiny J frame is the limit.
3) Given the different ways to carry, drawing from a pocket isn’t slow, but it isn’t fast either. If your sitting, it’s even slower.
1) It’s light! Barely know it’s there.
2) Having it in your pocket allows you to carry at times when you might not otherwise do so.
3) In a bad situation, having it in your pocket allows you to casually reach into your pocket, wrap your hand around the grip and be “one step ahead”, if things go south. . . If nothing happens, you simply take your hand out of your pocket, and no one is any wiser.
4) It’s a lot easier to use a restroom with pocket carry V. belt holster!
Comparison of a:
3” Ruger SP101
2” Taurus 85CH
2” S&W 442 (ok, actually a 1-7/8”)
Somewhere in the Pacific NW
June 19th, 2011 01:38 AM
June 19th, 2011 02:00 AM
Not much to say, I agree with your assessment 100%. I'm about the same size as you, but a little heavier. I carry my 442 the same way, I love it. The only thing I have to contest is the knife thing; it should be on your left anyway when your carrying a gun on your right.
June 19th, 2011 05:11 AM
I'm pocket carrying a 640, which is a tiny bit bigger, and all steel. It seems like Walmart's Faded Glory carpenter jeans were made for pocket carry. Deep, square bottom pockets, plus small, flat pockets on the side of the thighs that I carry cell phone and box cutter in. Since I am left handed, I use the right side match pocket for a speed strip. They come in shorts and jeans, and are dirt cheap.
Glad to hear about the holster, I have a Superfly on the way, it's your holster with the cover flap included.
I'm not a lawyer or a LEO, just a pantload with a computer.
June 19th, 2011 09:32 AM
Congrats on the new pocket revolver. I carry either my LCR or my S&W637 in the same fashion. IMO, it's hard to beat the carry style in a casual environment. My frame allows me to pocket carry a large variety of small firearms in my front pocket without any additional worry regarding printing. I've found that the S&W snubs print less than any of my other revolvers and therefore that's how they regularly get carried.
The 442 is a awesome carry revolver, enjoy!
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." – Luke 22:36
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson
June 19th, 2011 10:18 AM
I also tend to pocket carry a S&W 442 in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster and yes, it is the limit for me in terms of pocket carry. The comfort and speed of draw from the pocket, depends mostly from the pants I wear on that day. A good idea is to go shopping for pants with your J Frame and holster in order to test them at the changing room or have your pants' pockets customized by a tailor to make the pockets deeper and add a reinforcement to them.
I also hate losing a pocket, but you get comfort, assurance, security and concealment in return by having a J Frame in your pocket.
"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous... If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for?" [Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch]
June 19th, 2011 12:26 PM
I've got a 642 in a Nemesis holster in my right front pocket as I type this. I used to carry a full size 1911 all the time, and had the 642 primarily as a backup and for occasional carry when the 1911 was inconvenient. However, with the unusually hot weather we have been having this spring, I have been relying more and more on the 642. It has become my primary summer EDC. I'll go back to the Kimber once fall arrives and the temps allow for something more than a T-shirt! And yes, shooting it is "interesting" depending on the loads you use. The Kimber .45 is definately more pleasant to shoot, but the Smith is a great little gun.
Live to ride, ride to live. Harley Road King
And keep a .45 handy
Kimber Custom TLE II
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