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    My Brommeland Max-Con V's all allow a consistent grip through the grasp, draw and fire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joker1 View Post
    With my GLOCK 19 and CBST with combat cut I can get a great one-handed grip on my pistol when drawing. Now in the heat of the moment I may need to adjust before I reach ideal firing grip which I likely won't have time to do. Generally I can get a solid grip when drawing. I think due to the concealability and size of todays carry guns and holsters getting a good grip is getting more and more difficult.
    One of the unexpected problems with today's designer guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    My Brommeland Max-Con V's all allow a consistent grip through the grasp, draw and fire.
    Dang, you always beat me to it LOL. Yup Brommeland Max Con V's all the way.
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    Glock 19 Gen 3 in a Brommeland Max Con V
    Glock 26 Gen 4 in a Brommeland Max Con V
    Karh PM9 in a Isotope 7 (made by Gary Brommeland)
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    If I can't get my full "combat" grip because of the holster, I get rid of it. The Crossbreed SuperTuck with Combat Cut works perfectly fine.
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    My IWB holster I can grip the whole gun and go. My OWB has a thumb break on it so other than me placing my thumb on top of the gun to unsnap the holster, I can grip the whole gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHTFGearLLC View Post
    Thats definitely true, you never know how you are going to react until it actually happens. And I suppose I should have clarified because obviously deep concealment options like smart carry won't allow for as clean of a draw as IWB, OWB , and Shoulder holsters.

    I guess the purpose of my post was to say that I think its an issue that people need to be concerned about especially when people are training to fire from positions of retention.

    Of the many training aspects of self defense, I feel like drawing the weapon is one that we have the most control over. Yes, there may be extenuating circumstances like your body position (sitting, horizontal on the ground, standing) , proximity to the thread, etc, but generally speaking we have the ability to train on the draw without any traditional barriers of training at the range (simply because it can be done at home).

    In my opinion, its important to have your draw down because if its muscle memory, its something you don't have to think about when the situation arises.

    just my opinion of coarse,
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    All the holsters I routinely use allow me to get a full grip.

    Not all the specialized ones do, but they don't get used often.

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    Most of my holsters are from Fist...a quality holster that allows one grip/draw that is ready for instant action.
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    All of my Pure Kustom Black Ops pros allow for a full combat grip. My High Noon shoulder holsters also allow for a full combat grip. I have one Fist OWB holster that also allows for a full combat grip. My Kholsters need to be trimmed - combat cut - to keep the backing leather from getting gripped. Once trimmed, they allow for a full combat grip. My SuperFly pocket holster allows for a full combat grip - once you have your hand behind the security pannel.

    The above assumes that the adjustable holsters are properly adjusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leathernuts View Post
    Dang, you always beat me to it LOL. Yup Brommeland Max Con V's all the way.
    I get so tired of singing the praises of Gary's stuff that I have actually purchased other brands with the hope I will find something else to recommend for IWB. So far, nothing else is in the same zip code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I get so tired of singing the praises of Gary's stuff that I have actually purchased other brands with the hope I will find something else to recommend for IWB. So far, nothing else is in the same zip code.
    All I've Tried are Brigade Gunleather M11, Supertuck and MTAC. I love my Max Cons. The one I would like to try is a VMII as you see them get a lot of praise as well.

    What I like about Garys design that makes it stand out from the other similiar IWB leather styles, is the thinness, yet still able to re-holster one handed; the retention; the belt loops are NOT gigantic like others, yet are very very secure; the sciatic flap (not sure if thats what its called) and the cant. I think what turns people off is the price and wait times. But you get what you pay for and the wait time, well I personally have never waited longer than 4-6 weeks. THumbs up to Gary!
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    Glock 19 Gen 3 in a Brommeland Max Con V
    Glock 26 Gen 4 in a Brommeland Max Con V
    Karh PM9 in a Isotope 7 (made by Gary Brommeland)
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    Muscle memory being what it is, it’s not a good idea, to have to adjust your hand position when using your sidearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leathernuts View Post
    All I've Tried are Brigade Gunleather M11, Supertuck and MTAC. I love my Max Cons. The one I would like to try is a VMII as you see them get a lot of praise as well.

    What I like about Garys design that makes it stand out from the other similiar IWB leather styles, is the thinness, yet still able to re-holster one handed; the retention; the belt loops are NOT gigantic like others, yet are very very secure; the sciatic flap (not sure if thats what its called) and the cant. I think what turns people off is the price and wait times. But you get what you pay for and the wait time, well I personally have never waited longer than 4-6 weeks. THumbs up to Gary!
    I have tried Hayden, Milt Sparks Watch Six, Crossbreed Super-tuck, Occidental Stronghold Phoenix, and many of the off-the-shelf options, and the Milt Sparks is the only one to come close. Unfortunately, it doesn't allow for a one handed re-holster. The only time I have had to wait very long on with Gary was for left-handed holsters.
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    Negative on the draw, on reholster maybe. I would not want to have to change my grip to then have to fumble around and figure out what my hand and gun are doing under stress.

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    Here's a video that I did on the topic of selecting gear. It might be of interest to some of you.

    And, here's a link to the ITS Tactical article that I reference in the vid clip.

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    One of the reasons I absolutely loathed the Safariland 070, my mandated duty holster for most of my police career, is because I had to shift my grip after the weapon cleared the holster, in order to properly grip an autopistol for best shooting results. (It functions OK for revolvers, as a proper firing grip is possible.) This was especially problematic with a 1911, as I had to shift my grip after clearing the holster, in order to completely depress the grip safety. I gave up carrying the 1911 while at work because of this factor, switching at first to the horribly thick Glock G22, then the acceptably-thick SIG P229. (After a certain date, if we gave up carrying our "grandfathered" duty pistols, we would have to start carrying one of the mandated double-stack .40s that the newer officers had to carry; I could not switch back to revolvers at that point.)

    My current duty holster, the level three Safariland ALS design, allows a proper grip to be achieved from the beginning of the draw. (I am unsure of the exact model number.) I reckon my survivability quotient has gone up exponentially now; a more-secure holster, with a much smoother draw-stroke.

    The holsters I use for concealed carry, on my own time, allow for a proper firing grip. I have been aware of this factor since
    the mid-1980s, when I first started carrying. At that time, actually, many holsters did not cover the trigger guard, which left plenty of clearance for a proper grip. When it became trendy to cover the trigger guard, many holster makers, even some of the really skilled ones, did not understand this. Milt Sparks got it right, from the beginning, and every holster by G. Wm. Davis I bought or have seen shows that Mr. Davis got it right, too. I reckon I am dating myself; I bought my first Sparks and Davis holsters when those brands meant Mr. Sparks or Mr. Davis actually laid hands on the leather themselves.

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