This is a discussion on Holster for NOT carrying one in the chamber within the Defensive Carry Holsters & Carry Options forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I was thinking about this while at work today, and the biggest place I see for a problem is "If" a round was already chambered ...
I was thinking about this while at work today, and the biggest place I see for a problem is "If" a round was already chambered it would bind up the gun because there's no place for the ejected round to go! DR
The holster looks a bit "gimmicky" but the umm, body armor, is impressive...
Self-loading holster for Makarov - YouTube
I believe the Russians had this some time ago. This is just one video,there are many older clips from the Soviet Union .I think it is a great idea.
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I don't see what the big deal about it being bad is.
It's clearly designed for people carrying handguns unchambered. If you carry loaded, then obviously it's not for you. People who don't carry a round chambered regularly are just as cognizant of that fact as people who do regularly carry chambered are. It's pretty unlikely someone turning to this holster as a solution would make that mistake.
Beyond that, like anything, practice and drill will quickly familiarize yourself with the holster. I just don't see how it's an ND waiting to happen, any responsible owner investing in the holster would ensure they are familiar with it.
Edit> Looking at it again (and the lady) RockinRiley is right, there is an ejection port, and it matches perfectly to the port on the USP when it is pushed down. So even if there was a round chambered, it would simply extract normally.
Last edited by AK_Brian; November 27th, 2012 at 01:33 AM.
What holster? All I saw was the rack......
I was thinking the same thing as dangerranger. After you draw it, what happens after you reholster? Do you have to go through the hassle of emptying the chamber? If you don't empty it and then draw it again you must lose a round and if so wear/how does it eject inside of there? Perhaps the top strap can be activated a second way in order to account for this. Like a safariland style thumb release. Oh, and good god she would be soooooooo much fun ummmmm off duty!!!
I really like the fact in the first video with the holster from the back as you push down the barrel now instead of pointing relatively straight down now points into your outer thigh. Serpa holsters were/are banned from many training classes and departments, I personally do not have an issue with them, due to ND's that occurred when after pushing the button on the outside the shooters trigger finger continued on to contact the trigger causing the weapon to fire.
This holster although performs a different action I think would speed up that process, however it would be a training issue. Whomever gets one first let me know.
Edit: It looks like at 1:05 in the video she demonstrates how it works as a conventional holster without racking the slide. At 1:35 it shows her HK in the holster with the hammer back ready to rock. Not sure what version HK it is but not real bright on their part.
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Seems just about as useless to me as carrying without a round in the chamber is.
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Interesting video, and cute policewoman, but it all pretty much ends there for me. Too much "sugar for a dime" right there, and as Rooster Cogburn said in True Grit 2, "If it ain't loaded it don't shoot". I would hate to be issued that rig and required to use it on duty.
Years ago, I had some sort of gun book and it had an article in it about a Army sgt, I think it was army, that had "perfected" a draw from a standard military holster, it began with an empty chambered 1911 and ended with it ready to fire. IIRC he'd pause in his draw, push the slide into the leather of the holster, and manipulated a one-handed rack. I wish I still had that book, but it burned in my fire.
Maybe it was the same book, or another one, but someone had made a device either as a prototype or they were for sale? IIRC it was an add-on for a 1911, when you squeezed the grip it would cock the 1911 for you. It may have been called the "Ace cocker" or something like that. I believe H&K has a model pistol that does the same thing?
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