To cant or not to cant

To cant or not to cant

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    To cant or not to cant

    Ok guys I want some input here. I carry a Glock 27 at the 3:30 position. I carry primarily OWB but do carry IWB at times. Now all my holsters have some forward cant and work well for me but I have seen many people with holsters that have little or no cant. So let me know your experience and which you prefer and why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotomaker57 View Post
    Ok guys I want some input here. I carry a Glock 27 at the 3:30 position. I carry primarily OWB but do carry IWB at times. Now all my holsters have some forward cant and work well for me but I have seen many people with holsters that have little or no cant. So let me know your experience and which you prefer and why.
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    I carry my G19 IWB with a 15 degree cant. I don't have a lot of girth, so if I didn't cant the gun, I would have either the rear sight, or the butt of the gun printing.
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    The more you bring the grip of the gun toward the centerline of your body, the easier it is to conceal. If maximum concealment is your goal, then yes, cant it.
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    In my case has to do with size of grip. Most of my guns I like 90 degrees slim grips. My sp with custom wood grips I use summer special 2 forward cant helps keep larger grip close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeBool View Post
    The more you bring the grip of the gun toward the centerline of your body, the easier it is to conceal. If maximum concealment is your goal, then yes, cant it.
    This. And also when using clip-less IWB it really helps to ensure getting a nice proper grip on the first try. Rather than having to make those little adjustments when you don't get quite enough of the hand on there etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotomaker57 View Post
    Ok guys I want some input here. I carry a Glock 27 at the 3:30 position. I carry primarily OWB but do carry IWB at times. Now all my holsters have some forward cant and work well for me but I have seen many people with holsters that have little or no cant. So let me know your experience and which you prefer and why.
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    My IWBs are all 20-degree forward cant, and are worn at 3:00/9:00. I can carry a S&W 1006 comfortably and effectively concealed under a t-shirt with this set-up. Zero cant IWBs are much more common for appendix carry.
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    All my holsters have a 15-20 degree cant...helps to conceal the grip and makes the draw a lot easier.OMOYMV
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    At your carry position, 20-24 degrees "static" angle is ideal for comfort, concealment, presentation (for the draw). That's assuming one knows how to correctly measure carry angle; it's NOT measured from the fold of the holster (if it has one, which all don't, i.e., pancakes). Instead, measure from the centreline of the bore; on a 1911 as pictured below, it's easiest to use the top surface of the slide. On a revolver, align the cylinder flutes with the barrel.

    Illustration: angle.jpg

    The green line is your belt line, the wide yellow line is the top of the slide; note in this holster the holster's fold is at a different angle, which is why we don't use it. The included angle is measured between the green and yellow lines; on this holster the angle measures at exactly 22 degrees. We call this "static" angle, or "bench" angle, because when on the belt the angle changes for two reasons: first, your belt line is not horizontal even when you're standing perfectly vertically; and second -- because you're NOT standing perfectly vertically.

    Adding the orange line at left, and the blue line bisecting the orange and yellow, demonstrates why this is the ideal angle: the pistol is at its narrowest incline, and its centreline (the blue line) is vertical. The red arrow indicates where, ideally, your ribcage is centred for comfort.

    When you choose a different angle, you'll find yourself shifting the rig fore or aft to make it work. And if your waistline is big enough, you could very well be happy with a smaller included angle, all the way to 0 degrees or less if one is foolish enough to carry appendix. A helpful guideline for that is to consider: if I had to pull the trigger first and then draw, rather than the reverse -- where is my muzzle pointing when I'm sitting?

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    I like zero degree for a faster draw and better concealment, but a slight forward can't makes all the difference when sitting/driving. Adjustable cant holsters help to getting the perfect angle dialed in, or changing for different situations. I'll adjust to a straight drop if I'm going to be standing for hours at a time because its a little more comfortable than canted standing.

    I don't think there is any scientific cant that makes drawing or concealment better for everybody. I largely depends on body and weapon type.

    I can't agree with the rhetoric of "What if you hand to pull the trigger and then draw?" less. Quick answer would be "you couldn't" with any quality holster. AIWB isn't for everybody but considering how many people carry in this position we would be hearing about some pretty painful NDs on a regular basis if that was really an issue.....

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    I find the straight drop holster easier and faster to draw, but the forward cant conceals better. If it matters, I'm left handed but it doesn't seem like that would make any difference in this case - I dunno.
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    20-22 forward cant, myself. Works with IWB or OWB where I carry. Helps to tuck in the butt-end of the gun more towards the body. Presumes a decent holster and belt that hold the butt-end of the gun snugly against the body, of course. For me, the forward cant works far better for drawing as well as for concealment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTF_Squared View Post
    I don't think there is any scientific cant that makes drawing or concealment better for everybody. I largely depends on body and weapon type.

    I can't agree with the rhetoric of "What if you hand to pull the trigger and then draw?" less. Quick answer would be "you couldn't" with any quality holster. AIWB isn't for everybody but considering how many people carry in this position we would be hearing about some pretty painful NDs on a regular basis if that was really an issue.....
    My commentary is science -- it's called the science of ergonomics. You would be incorrect to say that carry angle depends on body and weapon type. Instead, it depends on WHERE around the waist one is carrying; a large body type might force the rig further towards the belt buckle, and then the angle will change to present the pistol grip. The weapon type? The skinniest person on this forum can hide an 8-3/8" 44 at 4:00 with the right grips -- he/she just won't be able to sit down or bend over! Ditto 3:00 crossdraw.

    The ND comment: that's how you make decisions? I call that the Stepdaughter Method: I couldn't get my stepdaughter to stop smoking; lovely girl but stupid -- until her future father-in-law had a stroke and the doc told him to stop smoking. She stopped smoking. Her comment, and her mother's? "You have to wait until it happens to someone you know". Really? The science has been around for 70 years, and you have to wait for it to happen to someone you know? I divorced the pair of them, too stupid.

    My commentary was directed to the OP's query, which specified 3:30 carry. 20 - 24 degrees with ANY pistol on ANY person is the ideal angle in that position. If one uses less, the pistol will have to be moved forwards, towards the buckle; if one uses more, the pistol will have to go rearwards. Otherwise the package will be compromised: comfort, concealment, or presentation will be sub-optimal.
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    I personally don't like a cant and much prefer a straight draw. I think this is primarily due to the holsters I wore as a cop on duty, as none of mine had a cant to them. Probably a muscle memory thing that I can't shake.
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    Try a holster with no cant, and you should be able to figure it out pretty quickly.

    In my case, IWB @3:30 with no can't will not allow me to even lean forward without printing the grip out the backside of my shirt.
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    I like a straight-drop holster like my Safariland 6281, but it doesn't conceal well unless under a heavy flannel or Carharts shirt. I was a reserve deputy for a long while and really got used to a straight-drop. I carried openly and concealed when I managed a gun range and had the correct licenses to do so. Sometimes I wore (and still do) a canted holster at 3:30 or 4:00 which is great for concealment, but I hate drawing from that position. Something I had to get used to over time.

    I have a cordura nylon IWB holster,just some $15 holster I picked up at a gun show, but it gets used the most for several different 9mm's and there is very little cant. I just about disappears under a t-shirt though and tucks the butt right up under my ribs and above my hip bone.
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