Differences between Mass-production & Custom

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    I appreciate your answer, but it didn't answer my question. I know & understand the differences between mass & custom holsters, & agree. Some companies put on the "air" of custom, so I was wondering if there was a list specifically of custom holster makers, that's all. BTW, this thread is incredible, some things I knew, some I didn't, & I'm sure that goes for the rest of you. Except, of course, the holster makers themselves...
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    For me, here's the real truth. Custom holster make me happy. They make me feel more sure I have a quality item that will do the job when the time comes. That's what matters most.

    But thanks to all those who have made positive contributions to this thread. I've learn some things I didn't know before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cockedlocked01 View Post
    I appreciate your answer, but it didn't answer my question. I know & understand the differences between mass & custom holsters, & agree. Some companies put on the "air" of custom, so I was wondering if there was a list specifically of custom holster makers, that's all. BTW, this thread is incredible, some things I knew, some I didn't, & I'm sure that goes for the rest of you. Except, of course, the holster makers themselves...
    I don't know if there is an official "List" anywhere of custom holster shops. However, here are the guys who's work I know and can recommend: Lou Alessi, Josh Bulman, Tony Kanaley (Owner of Milt Sparks) Matt DelFatti, Mark Garrity, Sam Andrews (IF you can get him to lose the suede linings) and myself.
    There are probably others as well, but If I haven't had my hands on their product, I won't recommend a maker's work.
    If any other folks have experience with a custom shop and feel comfortable in recommending their work, then let's get a list going. Thanks!

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    Good news Gary, Sam doesn't use suede linings on his IWB's. I don't know about his OWB's though. Talking to him leads me to believe he'll make it any way you want to pay for, within reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELCruisr View Post
    Good news Gary, Sam doesn't use suede linings on his IWB's. I don't know about his OWB's though. Talking to him leads me to believe he'll make it any way you want to pay for, within reason.
    I have one of Sam's Saddle Style OWB's and it does have a suede lining. And a thumb break. I carry a Sig 229 in it and it is my understanding that the Nitron finish on the Sig is not much affected by the salts said to remain in the suede after tanning. I really like the holster a lot as it fits the pistol, fits me and is a good match for my Beltman tapered belt. It cost $80 upon receipt in September which is about what Galco Concealables are going for on various website. Excellent value for the dollar with a reasonable wait time.

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    This is good stuff. It pays to play in the archives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceGibson View Post
    This is good stuff. It pays to play in the archives.
    yes it does to bad more people wont use the search button ya can learn a lot that way

    I search for stuff all the time

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    This thread impressed me because Mark Garrity and Gary Brommeland hit on points that I've explained to customers many, many times over the past 20-years or so. I don't expect my customers to be leather experts, or understand molding and shaping, or parts of a hide. Presumably, that's my job. If I do my part, then my customer receives something unique, unlike anything else out there. And the materials--from leather, to thread, to finishes, is the absolute best that I'm able to acquire.

    The best materials are useless unless they're molded and fashioned by trained hands. And therein lies the true value of "custom." The individual the hands are attached to. I can't speak for Mr. Brommeland, or Mr. Garrity, but I can tell you, I've screwed up a BUNCH of high-dollar leather. And I continue to do so. I call it "prototyping," but what it boils down to is creating something different...something new, or a little unique. As Mr. Garrity pointed out, there are only so many ways to holster a firearm.

    I believe it was Gary Brommeland that pointed out the use of a side of skirting leather. We both use Hermann Oak...it's the best--period. It's also the most expensive. A side will run, depending on the quantity you buy, and where you buy it, in the neighborhood of $140 to $175. And that's before the cost of shipping it. And as Gary pointed out, a side has an extremely limited amount of useful leather for the holster/gunbelt maker. I believe he said the majority of his hides are discarded because they're not suitable for holster making. From experience, I can tell you, this is a fact. Most of the leather we buy is not suitable for our purposes, and it winds up in the scrap box.

    As a saddlemaker, I use almost all of a side of leather. In that sense, I'm fortunate. If holsters and belts were all I made, I'd have to discard the majority of a side of leather. I need the super-thick neck sections for ground seats, the backs for straps, stirrup leathers, seats and billets. The belly...the stretchy stuff, I use for cantle bindings, horns and stirrup covers. Holsters and belts are cut from a very limited, firm area of the hide with little stretch--the back area. Ask any holster or belt maker...there ain't much back area. The prime stuff is in short supply, and I suppose that's why it's called the "prime stuff."

    I never give "product" to writers for review. Not because I'm secure in what I produce and don't need positive feedback and publicity. I don't give product to writers because we all know that first and foremost, they're writers. Or, reviewers. Generally, your "review" will rate as highly as your advertising in that publication. If you're an advertiser, with full-pages splashed with color, reviewers will bend over backward to write positive reviews. I don't have a problem with that, I just choose not to participate in it.

    I do give product to cops. LEO's that carry as part of their livelihood. Friends that don't care about hurting my feelings that actually USE my products for hours on end. One buddy of mine in Arizona could care less about stomping my feelings about a prototype...he carries concealed ALL THE TIME...24/7. These two facts are invaluable--if he likes something, I know I have a hit on my hands. If I can please this picky, aggravating son-of-a-buck, then I stand a pretty good chance of making you happy. If he doesn't like something, for whatever reason, then it's back to the drawing board. I'm lucky to have folks like this to test my stuff on.

    Sorry for the excessive length, but the bottom line is this..."custom" is a word that gets tossed around pretty loosely. If a maker is truly custom, then you'll get something that is the true result of a lot of blood, sweat and tears. And I mean that literally.

    I see a lot of what I've been through in Garrity and Brommeland. These guys are "makers," not manufacturers. There's a huge difference.

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    Having used leather products all my life as my "working office" until I got me an edumacation I can attest to the value of quality handmade custom leather gear.

    I started out with a "Factory Built" saddle. Not soon after that I placed an order for a custom hardseat saddle and waited a year to get it. What a difference, night and day to say the least. The same is true in holsters.

    I've never ridden one of Bruce Gibson's saddles, but I look forward to trying out one of his kacks when I get a chance. Right now I'm waiting on a holster from Mark, and after talking/Emailing I feel that it will be a first class product.

    If you are serious about carrying, or whatever you do, you will look for and sacrifice to get the best. It's cheaper in the long run since it will last longer and will be more comfortable.

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