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Shoulder holster versus IWB

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    It is an honor to have the likes of Mark Garrity agree with me, wow I'm floating.

    To answer the question about which rig I prefer I would have to say all in all I like the Andrews rig. It's comfortable and carries well. I like how the mags are facing forward (but Galco does that now as well). The straps on the Andrews rig took some time for the lil leather lint to stop getting on my shirts, but once worn in the major difference is the strap at the lower portion of the rig which precents the holster from swing forward and helps in the draw and the holster dosent move forward.

    If your going to order one of his, ask him to make the holster a lil thinner, for me.

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    Well, this is kind of what I expected. Lots of info and only some of it anticipated.

    As I initially stated, my current discomfort could be due simply to inexperience. Time and experimentation may help this. The Max Con V currently sits between about 3:30 maybe on one end to almost 5:30 on the other. Centered I guess at about 4:30?

    If I try to move it more from back to front, the back part really starts pushing out. I've questioned whether this will improve with time? Cause it to flex some? I have not tried it as far around as 2:00. I'll have to experiment with that.

    As far as comfort goes, it's great when standing or walking, it's sitting in a car that really gets uncomfortable. It's also a little tough to draw from as far back as I've had it. I'm sure the 2:00 would improve that. Initial concern with that position though would be a possible exposure risk depending upon cover garments.

    I have a couple of Uncle Mike's shoulder rigs that I used for hiking/hunting, and have just started to play with that at home. Have already discovered some of the issues about shoulder holsters raised here. However, with a 3" Kimber, sure feels like long term comfort would not be an issue. The Para P14 is another issue. Sure like the way the mags would ride as well. I've gotten pretty comfortable with IWB so far with cover garments to prevent riding up, could be better on printing. I have been concerned that the way I dress could make it harder to prevent exposure on a shoulder. Letting a jacket flap open, let alone what do I do if I want to take the jacket off. I'm not sure I can wear it under a dress shirt wear it wouldn't print. That certainly brings up draw issues like Blackeagle mentions He makes some good points that I had not given a lot of thought.

    I agree with the comment on cost. That's one of the reasons I haven't jumped in and bought one without trying to get feedback like this first.

    Well now I have some ideas on both methods on things to try.

    Many thanks to all.
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    I agree that it takes a good shoulder rig to carry all day. Balance is important in the way it feels after long hours. Sam Andrews got it right for me.

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    Ooooooh, pretty. Now if that doesn't qualify as gun porn, I don't know what does.

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    Shoulder Holster?...Sometimes...

    I have a Fist (vertical) for my Kimber Ultra. It does take some getting used to...it is well balanced and has a smooth draw!
    I only wear it on my Harley...in cooler weather!
    It is very comfortable...I prefer my IWB for EDC...

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    FYI

    I tried the 2:00/2:30 position. Much better overall. Concealability is really no different. Some digging at the leg muscles when sitting and walking, but obviously much better sitting than around the back.

    I keep playing with the Uncle Mikes' SH I have, around the house. Way more comfortable, but still can't quite figure out accessibility and cover garments.
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    Here's something that has not been mentioned yet "CANT" I find that I'm more comfortable with a holster that carries at a 15 -22 degree cant depending on the pistol length and I like a low riding holster also. I carry at 3:15 -3:30 just behind my hip bone. Move your wallet to your weak side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartjwnls View Post
    FYI

    I tried the 2:00/2:30 position. Much better overall. Concealability is really no different. Some digging at the leg muscles when sitting and walking, but obviously much better sitting than around the back.

    I keep playing with the Uncle Mikes' SH I have, around the house. Way more comfortable, but still can't quite figure out accessibility and cover garments.
    I take it the belly button is the 12:00 postion? Dumb question I know but I wasn't sure.

    I like close to that position you use also, probably 1:30 or 2:00 and when I sit in the car the butt is close to my right hand and easy to get to. One of my holsters I use on my side and that's comfortable. I have never been able to get used carrying behind me and in the car it's pretty much unaccessable in that position. I also don't like the idea of someone bumping into me and being able to grab it if they feel it. Yea, probably never happen but I get that feeling anyway.
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    Re shoulder rigs: Wear a uncle mikes often. Mainly depending on where I'm going and how long I'm driving. Wear it up high [under the arm pit] with two clips off side for counter weight. Carry a "G 27" so works good for me. I'm 6' and 280 , however don't find it any harder to conceal then a OWB rig. Which is a TED BLOCKER and love it also.
    No matter which rig I use still need a good outer garment

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltysquid View Post
    I take it the belly button is the 12:00 postion? Dumb question I know but I wasn't sure.

    I like close to that position you use also, probably 1:30 or 2:00 and when I sit in the car the butt is close to my right hand and easy to get to. One of my holsters I use on my side and that's comfortable. I have never been able to get used carrying behind me and in the car it's pretty much unaccessable in that position. I also don't like the idea of someone bumping into me and being able to grab it if they feel it. Yea, probably never happen but I get that feeling anyway.
    As for someone bumping into you and grabbing your pistol. #1 it's concealed and they don't know it's there. #2 It takes practice for you to draw your own pistol in a short time, chances of someone else pulling your cover and drawing without you smacking him with something is pretty slim.

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    I wear a shoulder holster when touring on my motorcycle or taking a long road trip in the truck/car.

    Other than that I prefer an IWB/OWB. Oftentimes, when in the car, I will have my 442 on the ankle and remove the OWB/IWB until I have to get out of the vehicle. When I do this I don't even have the shoulder holster on.

    Shoulder Holsters are, IMHO, a "specialty rig" that don't lend themselves well to day to day CCW, especially in the hot southwest. Right now it's cool enough that I have a cover shirt over my T-Shirt. This will "casually" hide my shoulder rig, but I can open carry if I want to.

    If you are in a hot/humid climate and are the only one wearing a cover garmet you WILL stand out. Me, I try to blend in. On my motorcycle the holster is under my jacket. Boy, do I look stupid when I can't remove my jacket when I'm gassing up and it's 100 degrees outside.

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    I use my Jackass Leather when I am on my Harley with jacket. I tend to run "hot" by nature, and is rare, even in winter to wear a coat or jacket. Thus, does not work for much other than riding. It does distribute the weight very well, superior product. It does wear on you after about 14 hours in the saddle though. All holster types have their pluses and minuses, up to you to figure them out, so, we all end up with a collection of em...
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    Follow up

    I've experimented with a position more towards 3:00 to 3:30. Much better.

    However, I purchased a 5.11 Tactical Holster Shirt, and a UCComfort Racerback. Both have their pros and cons, but so far, I like the 5.11 best.

    Really locks my 3" Kimber in place, but is easy to get in and out. Looking to sew a seam on the other side to separate 2 magazines and lock them in the right place.

    Dressed casually, I think I have better/quicker? access than I did with an IWB, and feels like virtually no exposure/printing issues. Comfort level is much better, and access in car is exceptionally better.

    More formal dress may require leaving a button open till I come up with something else, but doesn't seem to be a huge problem so far.

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    The Pros and Cons

    I got a Galco Miami Classic 2 shoulder rig for Christmas. Here is the way I see it based on my experience. (btw, pardon the newbie for such an extensive post )

    There are advantages and disadvantages to both shoulder rigs and hip holsters. I made a quick list of the pros/cons as I see them, having used both types. I've been wearing the shoulder rig almost constantly since I got it, when I'm not at work or expecting to need to remove the gun or take off my cover garment. I take my gun to work in the paddle holster (leaving it in the car, of course). I wear the shoulder rig everywhere else, including my house. Now that it is getting warm, I probably won't be using the shoulder rig. The biggest disadvantage of the shoulder rig is the cover garments required to wear it pretty much ensure you can't wear it in the summer.

    Shoulder holster advantages:
    • stealthy draw (turn away from opponent while reaching across your chest and drawing)

    • more comfortable, especially while seated

    • quicker draw with less movement from seated position compared to hip holster

    • can wear a wider variety of clothing and still have a clean, quick draw

    • good concealability as long as jacket is kept from flapping open


    Shoulder holster disadvantages:
    • must always wear a jacket or vest (not practical in warm weather)

    • have to be careful your jacket doesn't fall open and reveal your gun

    • slower draw than hip holster

    • more dangerous when re-holstering (finger can slip inside trigger guard while re-holstering, if you aren't careful)

    • won't be able to remove shoulder rig without absolute privacy (no disarming in your car without drawing attention, unlike hip holster)

    • drawing your gun can 'cover' unintended targets (drawing gun points the muzzle at 1) your weak side arm, 2) up to 180 degrees of space between holster and the target, depending on target position).

    • You have to be very careful of where your trigger finger is when drawing. Easy to accidentally get your finger inside trigger guard.


    Hip holster advantages:
    • very concealable

    • fast draw as long as it is unobstructed

    • can be easily removed or put on without needing absolute privacy

    • safest draw (gun attitude goes from pointed down to pointed at target)


    Hip holster disadvantages:
    • must wear the proper clothing (tuck in shirt, must have belt) for the quickest draw

    • somewhat uncomfortable compared to shoulder rig

    • movements required to draw gun can alert opponent; no easy way to conceal movements


    Me and my shoulder rig (note: since this picture I have adjusted the rig so the grip of the pistol doesn't stick out so far):




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    Well...I dont have a MaxCon...but I know the guys who have a plethora of great leather from all kinds of world class makers think they are as good as they get. Gary will have to really nail down your question on if it will get more comfy over time.....a general rule for most offset loop IWB's is yes, they do conform to the body over time and can get more comfy.

    Shoulder holsters are very nice...I wear one daily in the cooler months. But they are very very limiting in some regards. If its cool outside and you enter a warm building for any extended amount of time...you cant take off your jacket! They can get heavy after 14-16 hrs of carrying a heavy gun and dual mags to balance it out. Most larger guns have to be carried vertically and if you are short waisted then that isnt a happy situation either, leaving very little room between belt and armpit.

    Every situation regarding carrying a gun has lots of compromises and they vary from person to person in their individual carry situation.

    And OfClan....good break down of pro's and con's for you and your personal experience in carrying both ways. It varies to much from person to person to really nail it down for everyone.
    For me...the wieght of carrying a shoulder holster at the end of a long day is much harder on me and far more uncomfortable than a great IWB setup for the same gun.

    To each his own............. :D

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