The Cross Draw Fan Club

The Cross Draw Fan Club

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    The Cross Draw Fan Club

    I am starting the cross draw fan club. IWB cross draw carry rocks!

    For me it overcomes the main issue of concealment: keeping the gun in an easy to access, secure position without paralyzing regular movement.

    I think it's not so much that cross draw carry is any better than strong side carry for any tactical reason, but rather a strong physiological one. Typically your body follows your dominant hand, and in my case I strongly favor the right side.

    There's a test I learned a long time ago to determine which eye you should shoot with. You hold your hands up such that your fingers end up in a diamond with your thumbs and index fingers touching each other. You then look, with both eyes open, at something across a room that fits in the little box you just made, say a lamp.

    Close your left eye, open it, then close your right eye, and open it.

    When I do this test, when I close my left eye, the picture does not change at all. None. When I close my right eye, whatever I was looking at is no longer visible, obscured by the opacity of my left hand. In essence what I see with my right eye is nearly identical to what I see with both eyes. I am very strongly right eye dominant.

    Now combine this tendency with being right handed in the first place, and I think I create the poster child for someone who really needs to train up their left hand! I've worked on it a little bit, but it's an uphill fight!

    Where I'm going with all this is that I suspect I am severely dependent on the motion of the right side of my body, and this is why I suspect placing a gun on that side completely paralyzes me. All of my motion follows that dominant hand and eye.

    Cross draw carry eliminates all of this, and in fact I speculate now that I'm starting to get slightly better adjusted to the whole carry concept, I think it's starting to have something of the opposite effect of paralyzing strong side carry. It's beginning to feel like it belongs there.

    Another thing I have found is that although it still prints noticeably, since my left side stays still more often than my right side, it helps with concealment for some reason. I think it's because the butt of the pistol is facing the other direction. I just spent a week as a guest in a relative's house, and since I was in a private residence and spent the whole time on private property, I figured I'd practice carrying. No one noticed, and these are gun savvy people. Even with the printing it worked, and I wasn't using a cover garment beyond a T shirt.

    Presentation has taken a bit of getting used to. What I have developed is I will first use proper techniques to insure the weapon is unloaded, confirm it is unloaded and that there is no ammunition in the room, and then practice drawing it, ending up in the ready stance. It's a little more complicated than that actually - see the draw described in Gabe Suarez's The Tactical Pistol for a better explanation with correct and descriptive language of what I'm working on. It is getting smoother however, and I've long since stopped having to look at the gun to draw it. I want to get where it's a reflexive draw like producing a knife.

    I think overall however the concept of keeping something you probably won't use everyday (or hopefully ever!) on the side of your body that doesn't groove and move so much is one that everyone should consider. I can't believe it's not the dominant form of carry!

    No one at the range likes the crossdraw concept at all however. I am constantly told how unsafe it is by people whose opinions I don't weigh too heavily. How is it any different, honestly? The one problem I see with it is that it makes it difficult to use space to your advantage. With strong side carry you can use the idea of "space" transitions much more easily. I would also speculate that the fact you are required to reach across your torso basically means that at some point in the draw stroke, you present your aggressor with the largest possible target, but that's just me nitpicking.

    My theory is this: I think the relative unpopularity of this method may derive from the fact that most people aren't quite as dependent on one dominant side of their body as I am. I hope this is true. Even a cell phone on my belt on my right side feels like a brick, and a gun in concealment just constantly gets in the way. It's as if someone stuck 20-30 large needles in me right in that one spot. I wouldn't wish my frailities on anyone else, this one not withstanding. I'd speculate the average person is somewhat closer to being ambidextrous and not as sensitive to something poking their strong side. But there's enough people like me far enough along the spectrum that keeps the cross draw concept alive.

    As for me, I'm becoming a believer in 10'o clock carry, and that's a concealed carry solution.


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    Thumbs up Euclidian

    I'm glad that you seem to have found a carry mode that is working out well for you. That IS good.
    One of the reasons why the top holster makers make so many different styles of holsters is (of course) that not everybody likes or...can tolerate the same style & location of holster for carry.
    Also...as "human beans" we have an amazing ability to adapt & become very skilled at what we practice with diligence.
    I'm sure you have seen shows on TV depicting artists & craftsmen that are armless or sightless do some totally incredible things.
    There is one fellow that is totally sightless & builds the most AMAZING & fancy furniture from scratch & without any help. I know of one portrait painter that paints beautifully with her feet. What fantastic "machines" we are!
    So practice with your newly discovered carry location & you'll soon not be at any practical disadvantage & remember to always buy the highest quality holster that you can afford. That is very important.
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    I have never carried crossdraw but wouldn't rule it out completely. I have always intended to try both crossdraw and appendix carry at some point and never have, but they both look like something that I might like in some situations.
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    I have never tried IWB crossdraw, but do have a few OWB crossdraw holsters and I do like them. They work wonderful in a vehicle (my job) since the seatbelt is not in the way (sorry south paws) I might have to look into a IWB to try.

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    I have always thought it would be a comfortable way to carry and natural to draw from the holster. Like you my .45 feels like a ton on my right side, Your write-ups are nice keep them coming.
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    My main carry holster is the Galco SCT212 IWB. I've found it most comfortable at my left appendix area, which makes for a crossdraw situation. If I happen to be wearing it in the truck (I usually stow the gun elsewhere) it is extremely easy to get for that shot out the driver's side window.

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    I've always liked crossdaw.

    I think it particuarly works well when driving as hip carry is hard to get to with a seat belt on. I think under normal conditions it does take a fraction longer to draw your gun but how many of us will ever be in a wild west shootout?
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    I've carried strong side most of the time, and crossdraw every once in a while. The problem I've had is CD carry tends to print more for me, but then I don't like IWB holsters very much. I'm a big guy, and they're just plain uncomfortable for me.

    I have however, found a really nice cover garment that's not too expensive, and fits in perfectly with my line of work (copier tech) as well. It's the Scandia Woods Sportsmen's vest. The link will take you where I bought mine. And no, I don't get a comission for this either.

    I've found it hides my strong side carry perfectly. And so far, no one seems to have pegged it for hiding a gun. It's perfect for my job in that it lets me carry a variety of tools that I usually need, without having to lug around my 30lbs tool box all the time.

    Now I just have to get used to carrying on my left side. I have been a right side carry person for a long time. And I've ALWAYS favored shooting with my right hand forever. Even though I'm lefty in every thing else. Now I find I shoot better lefty, so I'm now trying to convert to being strong side on the left. It ain't easy.

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    Don't think I'd want to do it with Cond 1 semi,...

    ...but with a short barrel revolver i think it would be a good idea. Just left of center with a "belly band" type holster inside a button shirt with one button left open. (Call me a wuss, but a cocked and locked 1911 isn't something I want pointing at my femoral artery or family jewels every time I sit down. )

    You could reach it with either hand and no one would notice you drawing it even if they were looking at you. Your hands normally are in front of your body unless they are hanging at your sides. Drawing a conceiled weapon from a strong side holster would be noticed, especially if the holster is behind the hip. It worked very nicely for Bernie Goetz. He turned his back on the four guys and grabbed the gun that was at his belt buckle. They didn't know what was coming until he turned back to them and the gun was alread pointed and was firing. I seriously doubt that he could have pulled that off drawing from a strong side holster while someone was paying close attention to what he was doing.
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    Crossdraw has always felt more natural to me, I have always carried that way when at the range. I have not tried it concealed yet (still waitin on the permit), but I have an injury to my right sholder that makes strongside slightly difficult. I hope crossdraw is something that will work for me concealed also.
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    Sparkycoldbrew...

    you are still waiting on your permit ?

    When and where did you apply for it ?

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    I mailed it off on February 22. I took the class in Russellville from The River Valley Gun Club.
    Last edited by sparkycoldbrew; April 19th, 2005 at 05:23 AM.
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