i dunno about all that. "they" say you lose alot of your fine motor skills under duress... i don't know if i'll have my head on tight enough to fiddle w/ a button, reach across my body quick enough to not really telegraph what i am doing and still come out on top. CTAC for me :smile: Also, i sweat perfusley ( i live in phx) i dunno how sanitary that'd be :lol:
But if what you're wearing doesn't allow for the use of a conventional holster, this just might fit the bill. I can think of times it would benefit me. I'll probably go for one.
In principle it looks good, but, without snaps on the cover garment, I have serious apprehensions that a quick draw ,as shown, will be possible with most button shirts. Though it would solve the in the office carry problem.
Well, it is a "special purpose" rig. Considered to be for "deep concealment."
There are those who belong to this forum who can draw from one and fire two shots on target at 7 yards in less than 2.8 seconds. That's pretty fast from any concealment rig.
I frequently utilize a belly band type rig that I carry in the same position as that one. High on the chest with gun tucked under the arm. I can draw in about 3.5 or less depending on cover garment.
People who wear those usually have a keen situational awareness and know lots of tactics which can allow them the time to make the draw. They also modify their clothing in ways that decrease draw time.
Usually when I wear that, I also have a BUG in a front pants pocket which I can draw at least a full second faster.
Like any piece of equipment you stake your life on, you need to practice with it.
Ok fine motor skills do significiantly reduce but that is where training comes in, BUT whoever said to "unbutton" your shirt? If you need a firearm under a button down shirt, rip the buttons, its not that hard. If you use a t-shirt holster daily (as I do) then you'll modify your shirts to have snaps behind the buttons which are sewn to the top of the shirt for show only. However, it is not difficult to rip open a shirt in a situation when you need a weapon.
flakon.....$60 is to much? I have been carrying weapons concealed for 20 years, and very few of my holsters cost under $60. A t-shirt holster is a specialty holster and having made them myself, $60 is cheap for a rig that can (and has) lasted me over 5 years each.
The Fed ..... I'm sorry you have a Kramer, it to was my first t-shirt holster and the reason I began making t-shirt holsters. Kramers in my personal opinion are junk (and I've told Greg that many a time but he refuses to change it). My agency issued them and every single one needs to be altered to make them ready for carry, and its not a easy alteration to do (I know I'm the guy that gets the calls to alter them...to the point I said no more).
I dont own UC Comfort, dont get paid by them but due to their products I stopped making my designs and just tell folks to call them. Wore one today, and just took it off, temp was close to 100 degrees and my gear came out dry and ready to use (fortunatly I only had to draw it to stow the gear in the gun box in my bedroom).
Really now? And what professional expertise might you wish to share with us to support your deduction sir? Have you worn it on a real world operation where cover carry in foreign land is instant removal from the nation if caught? Have you used it on a high level (Presidential Staff level) protective detail? Have you used it while performing undercover drug purchases from a outlaw motorcycle club? You have the kindness to post your opinion on the item, but yet you dont state where you formed the idea. Please share with us your experiences.
I have used a UC Comfort (and other t-shirt holsters) in all of the above situations and more in the past 15+ years and never have I found them to be "junk" (except for the Kramer Confident which takes alot of unstitching, resewing and other mods to make it fit proper...but once thats done it works well enough).
Having qualified on a PPC and other qualifications courses while wearing what you so eloquently called junk, plus, performing live action drills using simunition and real world operations.
Guess I was just raised and trained to test something before I decide to lable it one way or another.....but I do await to hear of your "personal" expereinces which made you determin to quality of the products you so quickly labeled.
Wow lots of great dialog about the product , and differnt opinions and that is very good. Fed I have to agree with you it is a great product, and not junk as so stated by the distinguish member from TN,.
Yes with practice you can qualify on the PPC and or any qulification course as I have, and with the custom shirts you will have no problems getting to your weapon. Like any holster and or concealment product the user must get use to it and the comfort of it. I use their products everyday and they work well better then most, before UCComfort I use to wear Kramer I will not wear Kramer confident shirt ever again, although Kramer does however make nice side holsters.
Here is a link for the dress shirts call Al and or e-mail them info@undercovercomfort.com and they will let you know about the custom shirts.
I see a UCC as a speciality rig for those times I can't go too casual. And I do see one in my future. I plan on modifying just 2 to 3 shirts for the times that I would need to wear a UCC. If I wanted to wear these shirts at other times I can, they just snap instead of button.
One mans "junk" is another mans treasure, as the saying goes.
I'm just a regular guy citizen Joe Q. Public type whos most covert action is to carry concealed while playing hard with my kids at local to me parks & playgrounds that are filled with easy to flip out if they saw a gun extreme leftist antis. I carry everywhere and have several different holsters that allow multiple types of concealment under various types of clothing and dress applications.
For me the UCC holster shirt definitely has real world applicable uses. It would allow me to carry concealed in a suit & tie without having any waist bulges or having to wear a jacket which isn't always situational or weather appropriate. It would allow me to carry around people and children who like to hug and hang off of my waist (my 4yr. old almost outed me last week by accident by lifting my shirt tail up to 'hide' while in the supermarket...thank goodness dad still has quick hands). It would allow me to carry while out with my daughter riding my bike and towing her in a child trailer behind me. I can just slap a t-shirt on over top of it and go in my cycling tights without worry of standing out or having to wear a backpack or fanny pack. Also I can use this for when I go out at night to listen to music or dance and not have to worry about persons in the crowd bumping my hip or liver holstered handgun...or being left to leave the sidearm home and going out only with a knife.
There are more applications and uses and I personally can see how useful this product might be for a civilian, nevermind as mentioned by Fed toward a law enforcement or protective services officer.
I have one on order as reports from actual owners toward it's use indicate it is anything but "junk".
It's unusual and not mainstream average but then so are alot of other products out there that are real and proven to be purposeful.
The only reason I talk about this option of carry is because it is a option for folks to use. I have proven throught my work that you can carry a weapon and extra mags easily in a daily environment where folks cant see it, while your shirt is tucked into your pants. Yes with the current trends of it being acceptable (outside of business environments) to wear shirts untucked, I use my ITP holsters but wheever dealing in a business environment I always reach for my t-shirt holsters and know that in all these years its never been spoted. Junk? None of them are junk, but some (like the Kramer Confident) really arnt what I'd use.
I have not had the chance to wear it yet but I was amazed at how sturdily it was constructed. This is obviously some tough fabric and the retention for my Kahr cw9 is excellent even without the retention strap. The design really has alot of flexibility in how you can use it. Took a few weeks to get it but it I believe it will be worth it.
Being a total greenhorn civilian to ccw I hadn't ever worn a compression type shirt and it is an adjustment to get used to. When I first put the shirt on I thought the gun was going to ride too high under my arm and then I realized I just hadn't pulled the shirt down hard enough to stretch it properly so it rode correctly. I will have to continue to learn how to use it but I think it has real potential and I appreciate the real world information Fed-wif-a-Sig has posted.
I use this to carry at church, in front of hundreds of people when I want to, and NOONE has any clue. No clips to show, no bulges unless I VERY purposefully cross my arms in order to make my shirt very tight across the chest.
It works wonderfully well for what it is intended to do IMO.
I wonder how this would work on a overweight person. i've never worn a compression shirt ,and i stand 5'11, 240 lbs [ya i know i need to lose some weight !] i dont know if this is just a option for skinny people or what ?
If you can reach your off hand armpit and scratch it then you should be able to use the rig. My dad is a little larger now than he use to be and he uses one. A little tip I'll give ya is to lift your off hand elbow up when you draw as it creates a "pocket" to reach for your weapon. Though you can be fast with the rig, its not designed to be a speed rig, its designed to allow deep concealment and still allow for weapon presentation in a reasonable time (yes I can still make my qualification times using it but its not nearly as fast as my in the pants or on the belt holsters).
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