Crossbreed - Extensive Review & Comparison (pic intensive)

Crossbreed - Extensive Review & Comparison (pic intensive)

This is a discussion on Crossbreed - Extensive Review & Comparison (pic intensive) within the Defensive Carry Holsters & Carry Options forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I've worn my new Crossbreed SuperTuck for about a week straight now so I feel like I can give an honest review of it. In ...

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    Crossbreed - Extensive Review & Comparison (pic intensive)

    I've worn my new Crossbreed SuperTuck for about a week straight now so I feel like I can give an honest review of it. In this writeup I will detail my experience from the beginning with ordering and receiving in addition to the normal final product analysis.

    Background:
    My every day carry (EDC) is a Sig P239 9mm which is reliable/reasonably compact and I love even though it's not the most efficient (weight/capacity ratio). I tuck my shirts in so that ruled out all OWB holsters and many IWB ones. Since I'd gotten my CCW about 5 months ago I make shifted a tuckable IWB holster which I posted about here. It works well, but I wasn't completely happy. After a lot of thought, hours of review reading, research and consideration I decided to order CB's SuperTuck Deluxe as my next holster.

    Ordering:
    I called them up (I believe I spoke with Mark) and asked a few questions which he answered promptly before placing my order. He told me about the two week trial period and about the lifetime warranty in case anything breaks on the holster. Sounds good so far. I've been using Comp-tac v-clips on my current setup so I asked if they offer velcro clips as well. They do and will subsitute one of the other pairs of clips for those. I choose to sub the j-clips (I'd rather have my belt do the supporting). From all the pictures I'd seen it always looked like the leather backing was kind of large and might interfer with a full combat grip so I asked Mark about that. He said doing that may reduce some of the comfort, but they can alter the leather for me for an additional charge. Me being the cheapskate that I am declined his offer. I figured that if it was a problem for me I could always do my own cutting (for free). Once I finished placing my order he told me it should take 4 weeks for them to complete the holster. Yay, that's much better than most of the other custom shops. I ended up calling back a little while later with an additional question which he answered to my satisfaction.

    Receiving:
    About 4 weeks later like Mark had said, I got a package in the mail from Crossbreed. Upon opening it I noticed something odd right off the bat. The kydex portion of the holster had a hooked trigger guard where the P239's is curved. I promptly called Mark up again and told him my discovery. He said very quickly that it was their mistake and they had shipped me the wrong holster. Apparently, they'd had several orders for P229's and mine got mixed up. I realize that they have been very busy with orders and can forgive an occasional admitted mistake. Of course, I was very disappointed. I mailed it out and about 3 weeks later (which is about 7 weeks after my original order) I finally received my SuperTuck! It came packaged in one of those brown mail packets with the bubble wrap built in. Included were the velcro clips installed on the holster, a set of the standard clips, and a long length of adhesive loop velcro to attach to whatever belt you'll be using (2" wide which for most will require some trimming).

    Construction:

    Crossbreed keeps their SuperTuck very simple. The leather backing is soft, but of sufficient thickness and size to almost completely cover the pistol except for the bottom 3/4's of the grip. The rough side is on the outside with the smooth side against the gun. The kydex portion is kept to a minimum to cover the trigger guard and most of the slide though it exposes the entire front sight. It is well flared at the opening and at the bottom. All the sharp edges are smoothed out so there's no chance of scratching yourself or your gun.

    The rivets are well set and spaced for a solid hold on the leather. The clips are simply folded kydex with a hole drilled in the bottom for the attachment and the hook side of velcro glued/adhesived into place.

    They are attached to the leather using a screw which is screwed into a neat "bolt" which is thin and is designed with little hooks that set inside the leather to keep from twisting. There is a circular piece of rubber between the kydex and leather to help apply friction to keep from rotating and also gives a little room for your shirt when tucked. There are 4 holes on each side of the leather for adjustability which are evenly punched out.

    Fit:
    Right out of the package the gun slid easily into the holster. Almost too easily I originally thought. There is a noticable amount of play with the holster off. Being used to an all leather holster which grabs the gun and requires more of a tug to draw it was at first a little disconcerting. Then I tried the fit with the holster on. With your body against the leather it pushes out and holds the gun firmly against the kydex. The draw with the holster on is very fast with only a slight click on drawing & reholstering. The stiff kydex allows for easy reholstering with no collapsing.

    Comfort:
    One of the important things for most is how it feels. In this case, I would say how much it doesn't feel. I'm wearing it right now seated and I can't tell it's on unless I lean back and shift to press the gun against me, but even then there's no pain. The big piece of leather does it's job very well. It may look a bit ungainly, but it really is not. The leather cups your body and is really soft. There's no need for an undergarment to "shield" you from the holster.


    Concealment:
    Take a look at the pictures to see how well it conceals when tucked. Note that in these pictures my arms are over my head to pull my shirt tight.




    The velcro clips work, though sometimes you have to shift them up a little bit so the rounded part of the clip doesn't show under the belt.

    On/Off:
    Is this holster easy to put on and take off? In a word, no. It takes between 1-2 mins to position it on my pants, then thread my belt on taking care to maneuver it around the clips before fastening it, and then tucking in the shirt finally adjusting it so it's equally bloused. If you're going to tuck then you have to live with this method. I've accepted that.

    Comparison:
    Here I will compare it to the holster I've been using. To read a description of this holster go here. The only difference is that I have since purchased velcro clips from Comp-tac and been using them.


    Main Holster Body:
    The Don Hume holster is well made with good stitching and boning. It has a sweatguard and holds my gun firmly. Though it is fairly stiff it will collapse some after the gun is drawn which makes one handed holstering, while not impossible, more difficult. The rough part of the leather is on the inside to help grip the gun with the smooth sides on the outside. It does a great job of gripping the gun, but IWB it slides and has a tendancy to sag. The Don Hume portion looks like it did the day I got it so it looks like it should hold up well to years of use. The leather attachments are more worn, but don't show any signs of tearing. One thing about the attachments is that when in the bathroom sitting down, the holster has a tendency to flop either in or out.

    The SuperTuck has a large piece of leather which resists sagging since the rough side is against the body. This makes it grab the gun less so drawing the gun is very easy. This is a pro and a con so it all depends on what you prefer. One con to such a large piece of leather is that from the "factory" it does interfer with a full combat grip. After wearing it a few days I went ahead and cut a small amount so that my hand can get a much more positive grip. I don't know why they would charge extra to trim that little bit off. The hard kydex won't collapse so one handed reholstering is a cinch. Because of the large leather when in the bathroom sitting down it helps keep the gun vertical and not flop one way or the other.



    Clips:
    The Comp-tac clips are thicker and look more study. Instead of an adhesive/glue to keep the velcro on they wrap it around the clip and staple it twice. I haven't noticed the velcro peeling/moving at all. Comp-tac designs their clips with a total of three holes to aid in adjustability. Their clips are cut square at the top end which maximize the amount of velcro that hits the belt. They are also very well finished so there are no sharp edges or ends.

    The Crossbreed clips are thinner and since the velcro is glued on there may be a chance for it to peel or move some. I haven't observed any peeling/movement yet. They only have one hole located at the bottom of the clip. Crossbreed relies on the multiple holes on the holster itself for adjustment. This works well because it doesn't reduce the amount of shirt you can tuck in behind the clip. The clips aren't well finished as the sides aren't rounded like Comp-tac's. The tops and bottoms are circular so they don't have any corners you have to worry about.

    Hardware:
    I used chicago screws to hold everything together on my original holster. They do what they need to, but since they don't grab into the leather like the Crossbreed ones the clips can slide around which is more an annoyance than a problem. The SuperTuck hardward appears solid and secure.

    Comfort:
    While both are comfortable, the SuperTuck shines in it's ability to conform and hug your body. From my experience it is the most comfortable IWB tuckable holster you can buy.

    Conclusion:
    The Crossbreed SuperTuck Deluxe is a great holster and a good value. Though it may not be a looker or as well finished as some it does exactly what it's supposed to do. Compared to what you can get or "piece together" out there for the same amount or more money there's nothing that can beat this holster in actual use.

    If you carry daily and want to be able to tuck or even just wear IWB go and buy a Crossbreed. You won't want to show it off, but think about it - Why would you want to show off your concealment holster?
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    I have a first generation cross-breed and one of the first reviews on his site. It is a well made and thought out holster. The only reason it is not my primary rig at this time for my 1911 is the exposed muzzle. While the design lends it to any length barrel the exposed muzzle/site wore a hole right through two pairs of jeans and a pair of dockers. The hole was inside the right rear pocket, where the fabric constantly rubbed ont he exposed metal.

    Other than that I think it is a great rig.

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    I agree that Mark needs to consider adding more kydex to the body of his holsters so that there's not an exposed muzzle. He could easily make it optional, though I'm sure most would want their muzzle covered. Luckily for me the P239 has a short enough barrel that it sits right behind my pocket and doesn't rub while sitting. We'll see if I start seeing that kind of wear.
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    Thanks for the review. I actually have a Supertuck on order for my P239 as well a an M-TAC.

    I wish Sig had picked a different number as 239 is too easily confused for 229 IMO. I'm paranoid about it every time I order something.

    I was wondering if you have bumped into the problem described in the other reviews where the exposed barrel pushed the firearm up in the holster and un-secures it?

    Thanks,

    -john

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    I haven't experienced that problem at all. It helps that the P239 has a fairly short barrel.

    With so many 226's, 229's, and other 22X's sometimes I feel like the 239 is forgotten.
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    Nice review. I had considered the Crossbreed, but the exposed muzzle/front sight thing steered me to the MTac by Comp Tac instead.

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    Very good review, I have been think of a Crossbreed for a while now and since I have fired my go to holster maker for ever so I am looking for other makers. I was wondering though, does the velcro "rip" a bit thoughout the day when carrying, like when sitting down or turning your body causing it to have that ripping sound a little or a lot?


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    I must say the more I read about the CB rig the more I like the sound of it. Problem is I have had only negative (like parts of me going numb due to pressure on nerves by the holster and gun) results with IWB in the past and am reluctant to add another failure to my list.

    Also I'm a bit of a fat *******, so I wonder how well it would work for me.

    ev239, could we see a photo of you leaning over a table or bending down to pick something up? (No wisecracks, people.) As the one thing I am most self-concious about is the grip printing in such a situation.

    Thanks,

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    Warren, I'll try to get a picture posted of that tonight when I get home. If the wide leather of a SuperTuck causes you numbness then I don't know if any IWB would work well for you. Remember, Crossbreed gives you two weeks of wear to try it out and if you're unhappy you can always return it for a full refund.

    TiCarry, there's never been a velcro ripping sound unless I'm actually taking the belt off the clips. Since the clips are attached to leather they are allowed to move with movement which keeps them from "peeling" off the belt throughout the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren View Post
    I must say the more I read about the CB rig the more I like the sound of it. Problem is I have had only negative (like parts of me going numb due to pressure on nerves by the holster and gun) results with IWB in the past and am reluctant to add another failure to my list.

    Also I'm a bit of a fat *******, so I wonder how well it would work for me.

    ev239, could we see a photo of you leaning over a table or bending down to pick something up? (No wisecracks, people.) As the one thing I am most self-concious about is the grip printing in such a situation.

    Thanks,

    Warren

    Warren,

    Crossbreed offers a two week tryout with thier holsters. So "if" you don't like it you can send it back with refund no questions asked. Hard to beat that deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren View Post
    Also I'm a bit of a fat *******, so I wonder how well it would work for me.
    6'1, 250ish, works fine for me. I don't usually tuck, but like the option.


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    I had an earlier model, and the thin clips didn't stand up to my abuse--I was flexing them off the belt without unthreading. I switched to Ctac C-clips, much better.

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    Sevesteen, yeah I wouldn't tuck it either, usually.

    Is that a gunbelt or just a regular belt?


    Ti, the try it period is a great deal, once I decide on what gun it would be for I'll give it a try.

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    Sevesteen, I've got a pair of Comp-tac's C-clips and like them too. To me although they are much less obvious than the standard clips I would get paranoid that other people noticed them. That's why I went with the velcro clips. Crossbreed's velcro clips work very well for me. On my belt I used the velcro that I got with Comp-tac's V-clips since they were sized right at just under 1.5" where Crossbreed's are wider than my current belt and would have required surgery (not that that would have been hard to do). Just yesterday I had a nice japanese man (at a shoe repair store) stitch it on my belt so I don't have to worry about the adhesive peeling off.
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    Well...

    I'm glad it works for you but good Lord, that is the ugliest holster I have ever seen!
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    I'm so ugly I make my Crossbreed look great! It's my most comfortable IWB
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