Another Holster Maker

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    Another Holster Maker

    I know that Milt Sparks is an advertiser here and from what I have heard his holsters are outstanding. I have also heard a lot of people ask about alternatives because of the wait time.

    I saw this Post over at Glock Talk about a Versa-Max II Clone that seems to be well received and thought our members may want to take a look.

    The Company is TTGunLeather. Apparently he started on fleebay and has managed to get a site up and running as well.

    If anyone has experience with them, please let the rest of us know.
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    There are some other makers and people that are upset about the clones that they make being direct copies of Sparks' stuff. I've never had either in my hand to know one way or the other. I know that the stitching on one of the holsters on his site looks like trash to me, but maybe I'm just not used to seeing black thread all over a tanned holster.
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    I bought one for my 1911 and it fits me better then the VMII my friend has. JD thought that the fit and finish wasn't as good on them, but I love mine. I just ordered a second one for my sig p226. He also said the VMII kydex clips will work on it for tucking, and he is coming out with his own clips soon. Here is a pic of mine.

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    They Look pretty good

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    From what I can see, it looks pretty decent.

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    Looks to me like he just didn't just use the Sparks design for inspiration. Looks like he outright stole it to me.
    Just my personal opinion on that.

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    Looks awful close. Wonder well it will hold up?
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    It's a great design, possibly the best for IWB. Looks good.
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    Lima's got one, I wore it once, didn't feel to bad, that reminds me, I need to take pictures and I have the camera handy....wait one...

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    What I said previously said was:

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    We got Lima's in today, I'll be taking some comparison picks of the TT rig and my VMII (which Lima should no longer be stealing ).

    I like the double stitching closer to the body, what I'm not overly fond of yet is that the sweat shield and reinforced area kind of bulge out and is thicker in terms of width away from the body, compared to the VMII.

    But for the price being under $70 with a 3 week wait, it's hard to complain.

    The leather itself is pretty darn good, with only one slight imperfection on the sweat sheild.

    The curved sweat shield is nice for getting a firm grip from the draw, however, as it as not as tightly molded as the VMII, it's not as C&L friendly as you actually have to get your thumb in between the sweat shield and the firearm to get a high-thumb grip, and get your thumb on top of the safety, on the VMII my thumb will ride between the shield and my body and fall right to the safety after drawing.

    Oh well, you'll get what I'm saying after I take the pics tomorrow or Friday.

    Overall I am very pleased with the workmanship holster and the quick turnaround time
    , but as is the case with holsters, only time worn will tell the true tale.

    So here's the pics finally.

    Here's the VMII on the left, with the TT on the right.


    Again the VMII on the left the TT on the right, you can slightly the difference in overall thickness in this shot.


    VMII (L) TT (R) Here you can definitely see the difference in thickness.


    VMII (R) TT (L) Here you can see the differences in the sweat shield


    This is a close up of the reinforced band in the opening of the VMII, still pretty sleek.


    Here's a close up of the TT reinforced opening, not too bad, but you can see where the band is protruding a little bit. the over all shape of the opening is what's causing the TT rig to be thicker, looking back at the first picture, you can see that the band rides higher on the TT rig, and adds more to the thickness.



    Over all it's not a bad rig for the price, and a 3 week wait isn't bad but I'll stick to my VMII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Looks to me like he just didn't just use the Sparks design for inspiration. Looks like he outright stole it to me.
    Just my personal opinion on that.
    I've made my living as a skilled craftsman, albeit in another field, for most of my adult life. Much of it running my own business. One thing I refuse to do is support the business of someone who rips off anothers creation. This is a theft of design and concept. Sorry folks, just call 'em like I see 'em and that's how I see it. This is not the only outfit stealing others work as well. None of them will ever get my business. I'll wait for the real thing.

    Wal Mart mentality says I want it now and I want it cheap. Go for it, that's why we are losing our industrial base. When you want a finely crafted piece of work, go to the originator and be patient. If I want a custom pistol created and tuned by a master I'm gonna have to wait and not settle for a Raven .25.
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    Looks like from JD's pics that there are some subtle differences. 1 being the double stitch going down the side of the gun pouch. 2 being the sweat shield. Looks like he's using a little thicker leather also.

    Course I could be going blind ...
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    My opinion is that competition is healthy and neccessary in all business. It encourages overall quality and value. I find humor in other people's opinions about "stealing" designs and concepts like it's morally offensive and should be illegal or something. Seems like TT found a holster design that was popular and that worked. If they can create a holster using that general design and can sell it for some kind of profit which happens to be significantly less than Sparks sells theirs for then yay for consumers. Now it does look like there's some difference in construction so they aren't identical. Unless they went to the Sparks shop and literally stole the designs than they didn't do anything morally wrong. If anything it can be viewed as flattery. I think everyone will agree that the reason you pay good money for a custom holster is in part for the level of craftsmanship the custom makers offer. That's why some holster makers get $150 per holster vs. $75. Not everyone cares that much for top dollar craftsmanship. They just want a holster that works and looking pretty isn't high on the list of priorities. Count me in to that group. I use a Crossbreed SuperTuck and noone can claim it'll win beauty contests, but it allows me to stay armed when other holsters won't.

    Just from being on this forum for this past year I can see that there's no shortage for the demand of holsters. With many holster makers extending out their waiting periods past the 3 to 4 month mark it's no surprise that new makers will pop up to help fill in the need.
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    Doesn't every holster maker borrow designs from other makers? The Sparks Executive Companion is quite similar to rigs produced by Alessi, Null, etc. Who made the first pancake? Roy Baker? Only Sparks gives him credit, yet almost all sell a variation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ev239 View Post
    My opinion is that competition is healthy and neccessary in all business. It encourages overall quality and value. I find humor in other people's opinions about "stealing" designs and concepts like it's morally offensive and should be illegal or something. Seems like TT found a holster design that was popular and that worked. If they can create a holster using that general design and can sell it for some kind of profit which happens to be significantly less than Sparks sells theirs for then yay for consumers. Now it does look like there's some difference in construction so they aren't identical. Unless they went to the Sparks shop and literally stole the designs than they didn't do anything morally wrong. If anything it can be viewed as flattery. I think everyone will agree that the reason you pay good money for a custom holster is in part for the level of craftsmanship the custom makers offer. That's why some holster makers get $150 per holster vs. $75. Not everyone cares that much for top dollar craftsmanship. They just want a holster that works and looking pretty isn't high on the list of priorities. Count me in to that group. I use a Crossbreed SuperTuck and noone can claim it'll win beauty contests, but it allows me to stay armed when other holsters won't.

    Just from being on this forum for this past year I can see that there's no shortage for the demand of holsters. With many holster makers extending out their waiting periods past the 3 to 4 month mark it's no surprise that new makers will pop up to help fill in the need.

    Do you run a business? Do you count on it as your livelihood? Have you designed a product - investing time (and money) to produce something that is safe and functional for the greatest number of people that you can? If not, I would encourage you to do so. Then you may understand why there are some of us who tend to have a great disdain for those who copy another's designs for nothing more to profit from. The "differences" cited here are really minor and are a poor excuse on the part of the holster maker to try and make the holster different from the VM2. I've even had people tell me that since the dye is a different color than what we use on the design he ripped off from us, that it made it different. Support of these rip-off "artists," and I use that word loosely, does nothing more than perpetuate and encourage their actions.

    Yes, the designs of many holsters today are influenced by those who have come before. It will always be that way, and that's where the flattery to the originator is derived from. Duplication of one's design, in the sense we're talking about here, is not flattery.

    Obviously I cannot, and will not even venture, comment on how Milt Sparks arrives at their price point for their holsters. I know quality is a big factor. Have you had the opportunity to personally look at and handle a VM2? I had one in my hands just yesterday (not the first time). Have you had the opportunity to have a Tucker "Answer" in your hands to personally look at? I have. Top quality in my opinion. And, yes, I've compared it with some of the similar styles available. If you've had the opportunity to make these comparisons, then it makes it a bit easier to understand why there's a price difference - top quality vs something less than that. Quality of material and craftsmanship makes a difference in function and durability of a holster - period.

    Price points for holsters are from one end of the spectrum to the other, and styles are as varied as any number of products out there. And that's where competition is healthy - not in the ripping off of another's design.

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