I just placed an order today for a 1.5" horsehide belt from the beltman. I ordered it with the stiffener. I have read a lot of posts on their belts. I know that most say you don't need it. What I would like to know (from someone that actually has one) is if it makes it too stiff? I have a couple of new holsters on order a vs2 and a highnoone slide guard and don't want this belt to be too stiff for them. At the same time from the research I have done it seems that eventually all leather belts sag. For the $10 it cost for the stiffener if it will prevent or prolong this then it will be worth it to me. Again what I am trying to figure out is if the belt will be too stiff not really if it is needed or not. Thanks to anyone that can help.