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I use the Blackhawk Serpa for CC during the winter months. I don't see any increased chance of an AD/ND with it as compared to any other holster. The release, at least initially forces you to index the weapon, so I think the chances of a ND/AD would be less than most other holsters. OMO.
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That is exactly the reason why it has been banned by some training schools(Tactical Response is one). The other reason is due to the locking mechanism becoming inoperable due to debris. From the report I read the individual had to cut the holster off his gun.
Discounting the failed mechanism, the ND's that can and will occur due to the design of the holster are still related to training. That being said, why waste the money and time learning a new draw stroke when the selection of better holsters is abundant.
I presume what the OP is trying to say is that most people who choose Glock-like guns do so specifically to avoid the "one extra step" of disengaging a manual safety. Thus, choosing to add a retention holster kind of breaks the logic. In that sense, I agree with the OP's confusion, if that was part of the reason those CCers got the Glock in the first place.
My own answer is that 7 out of 10 CCW class participants got Glocks because they are so kewl! and got Blackhawk SERPAs for exactly the same reason.
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I have a SERPA...there was very little retraining needed IRT muscle memory to release the firearm from the holster. To me, it is a natural action and vry easy to use.
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I have a Blackhawk SERPA that I sometimes use for CC in the fall or spring when I'm wearing a semi-long waisted denim jacket. It conceals very nicely with that combination.
Now however, I use it mostly for IDPA. After about 1/2 hour of practice, I was able to draw and get that first shot off in around 1 1/2 secs; certainly not as fast as the guy in that video but it's automatic for me now.
On the draw, I like the way my trigger finger is perfectly indexed on the frame when it comes out of the holster.
I think it's a great piece of equipment.
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Try drawing your pistol with your non dominant hand with a Serpa or similar locking holster. Try drawing with gloves. What happens if you end up in a roll around fight and the holster is covered in mud, will the lock still release?
I'll stick to form fit kydex holsters with their positive "click" or tension screw adjustments over more complicated locking mechanisms.
I tried a Serpa & didn't like it, as I don't like to be forced to index if I don't want to.
As far as my 1911 or High Power go - my thumb wipes the safety down on it's way to a firing grip, before the muzzle clears leather - absolutely no delay or extra motion.
To each their own I guess.
And as for the original poster, I carry all my guns in SERPAs. Some have manual safeties and some do not. The holster has nothing to do with preventing an AD. It has to do with weapon retention and being confident that no matter what I am required to do, run, roll around on the ground with some scum bag, or stand on my head if I had to, the gun will not be leaving the holster without my purposeful draw.
I bought a Blackhawk Serpa for retention in open carry situations...fishing, hiking, etc.
That way it never flies out of the holster, an event which could lead to trying to catch it with a stick or some body appendage....
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I also CC with a Serpa. M&P45fs, same safeties as a Glock.
Personally, I don't have a problem with it.
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