Beltman HorseHide or BullHide w/stiffening

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    Beltman HorseHide or BullHide w/stiffening

    I have decided I want to order a beltman to hold my Defender. My Desantis 1 & 1/4 just doesnt hold it firm enough.

    Two Questions:

    The 1 & 1/4 size fits more belt loops I own so I'm leaning toward that size.


    Do many people have problems fitting a 1 &1/2 Belt?

    Help me decide?

    Should I go with a HorseHide in that size? or should I go with The stiffening option?

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    I have the 1.5 and it fits all but a pair or two of pants I own. I usually wear jeans or pleated khakis. The 1.5 fits all of my dress slacks but you should probably measure first. You will be amazed at how well the bull hide supports without the stiffener and the horse is even more so. If you do get the stiffener option just give it time to get used to. You could carry a Barrett in a holster without droop.

    What ever you decide, you can't go wrong with the beltman.

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    Wearing my 1.5 horsehide as I type.

    It fits all my Dockers, jeans, and suit pants.

    IMHO the perfect carry belt!!
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    1 1/2" Horsehide. You don't need a stiffner.

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    OK Horse Hide it is! Taper or not to taper?

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    I've got a Beltman double-bullhide 1.5", without stiffener, with taper. Though, for me at least, with my CZ P-01 or anything around 25-30oz and heavier I would probably opt for the stiffener next time. Double bullhide / without is fine, though I think the stiffener could help a person be certain it would be firm enough for many years of service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    I've got a Beltman double-bullhide 1.5", without stiffener, with taper. Though, for me at least, with my CZ P-01 or anything around 25-30oz and heavier I would probably opt for the stiffener next time. Double bullhide / without is fine, though I think the stiffener could help a person be certain it would be firm enough for many years of service.
    I wonder how much the taper takes away from vertical stiffness if any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trose49 View Post
    I wonder how much the taper takes away from vertical stiffness if any?
    I am "taper challenged," in a manner of speaking. Not exactly a bean pole, I mean. I've found the taper helps with comfort on the front side. However, the taper only exists along the last several inches of the belt's ends, so it doesn't much affect the ability of the belt's "core" to get the job done. I've had a gun as heavy as ~35oz (loaded w/ holster) and it held it okay, but at that moment I could see where a bit firmer belt would help. The taper had little to do with the firmness at that point, IMO. That's a guess, but I've had a few tapered belts and I think it's true. The greatest impact on ability to hold the belt is (a) belt stiffness and (b) how well it all fits the body. Not due to the taper.

    Let me put it this way. I've got a Kramer belt that's so stiff, you could probably use it in place of a 2x4 board during construction of your next house. Seriously, though, that puppy is stiff due to its build quality and firmness of the leather, and it isn't affected one bit by the curve or taper. That one could probably hold up 60oz without trouble, though at that weight I'd probably want a 1.75" unit.

    All in all, the Beltman is much preferable. Far more comfortable and plenty stiff to handle, as I said, up to about ~25-30oz. If concerned, just get the stiffener. IMO, the taper is a comfort feature, not a performance one.
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    Thanks for the info!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    I've got a Beltman double-bullhide 1.5", without stiffener, with taper. Though, for me at least, with my CZ P-01 or anything around 25-30oz and heavier I would probably opt for the stiffener next time. Double bullhide / without is fine, though I think the stiffener could help a person be certain it would be firm enough for many years of service.
    Ditto that. If going or any type of a high ride holster - go with the stiffner.

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    I have a 1.5 horsehide with stiffener. It fits all of my belt loops just fine. Most pants are made to take a 1.5 inch belt. You also need the extra width if carrying OWB. Mine sucks my gun up to me so good I could forget it was there.
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