When I was a corpsman who served with the Marines, I shot expert with both pistol and rifle. I found out later that I didn't know diddly about shooting. While I applaud your instructors service, I don't look at a Marine as some sort of fount of firearms training wisdom. I know it's hard for the noob to understand but being a vet, doesn't make you a great shot anymore than it makes you qualified to teach. I can put you in touch with numbers USMC vets, some excellent instructors, who will tell you the exact same thing.
Originally Posted by sbmitt
That said I've trained and been taught by guys who served with CAG. If you're going to tell me that they don't know much about shooting, or that your Marine vet knows more than they do, well than you don't know what CAG is. That said, most of the bona fide shooting schools I've been too, the Delta guys among others invariably say they teach "A way, not THE way". So anyone who says that every shooting school teaches "one right way" to do something is flat wrong.
The incident with marketing the death of a police officer occurred in 2010. To my knowledge he has never repented, and he personally insulted me when I called him on his horsepuckey. Sorry but that dog don't hunt.
I totally understand people's negative impressions of FS from the endless spam, ridiculous stream of "amazing" offers and some of Piazza's other marketing tactics. However so far I haven't heard much in the way of negative reports from anyone who has actually attended a class during the past 3-5 years.
And you would be wrong. I've never seen anyone who knows about shooting who's come back from FS and said "man that was awesome" or "I learned this cool new technique that changes everything." The only people that seem to think that are people who have NEVER been to another school and therefore don't know what they're talking about.
Forming your opinion about an entire training system based on a few people you've seen who have been there once and maybe didn't even graduate doesn't seem like a sufficient sample. That is like picking an apple up off the ground, finding it half rotten and hosting a worm then telling everyone the tree in your yard and every tree of that variety produces rotten apples. There's more to the story.
The proper way to train is to find instructors who have a respected reputation, who have clearly established bona fides that makes them qualified to teach and then GO TO MORE THAN ONE OF THEM. I offer no special enlightenment or shortcuts to proper training. Anyone who says they do is selling you something.
GutshotJohn, would you be willing to start a thread and expand on the proper way to train and the shooting techniques to use? I would love to read about that based on your life experience. If you have any youtube videos posted where you show people the correct way to do things, please include those videos so we can see your method in action.
Proper instruction costs money, it costs time, it costs effort and then you have to practice what you've learned. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS and there is no way of doing it on the cheap. Firearms schools are like restaurants, they ARE NOT made equally. That was the point about McDonald's. If you want a quality instructor, you pay for it. If you want McDonald's...well you might like big macs, but it ain't filet mignon. Personally I've learned to shoot to save my life if it comes to that. Training on "the cheap" is not the way I approach firearms.
How much is your life worth? $2K seems cheap at twice the price.That said most QUALITY firearms instructors charge about $200-250/day so you don't have to spend anywhere near that much.
But hey if you're happy giving your money to a man of dubious character and history, that's on you. I tried to warn you, take it for what it's worth.