Do you have what it takes or Bad Guys have mindset to?

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    Do you have what it takes or Bad Guys have mindset to?

    Guys and Gals I will say up front that I found this on another site and am posting it here because everyone needs to watch these series of short videos. This was aired on television some time ago and if you did not get to see them now is your chance.
    I am not preaching a technique, firearms school, type of weapon system, ammunition, 2nd Amendment Right, constitutional debate, downplaying anyones rights or abilities to defend themselves or any other agenda.
    Carrying a weapon for defense of ones person is a great responsibility and along with that is a responsibility to train and to become as efficient as you can with that weapon because the people in these videos are the ones whom you will be up against.

    I was a cop a long time and saw many things and dealt with people just like this and can tell you they do not care if you have a permit, spent a lot of money on a firearm and went to the 8 hour class or are the meanest guy in your bowling league, if given the opprotunity they will take it away from you and use it against you or use there own against you.
    In some posts there is a lot of internet bravado, big talk of what they/we should or could do to the bad guy with a cool head in the heat of the moment well listen to the competition.

    YouTube - Lockup Raw - Predatory Behavior (1/6)

    You better know what you are doing.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    For me, it all boils down to making it home to my wife and kids, or protecting them.

    We, as a society seem to have bred into two kinds of people: either some sort of neo-sociopath, or what a lot of posters here refer to as 'sheeple'. (personally, i hate the term, but its all i got for now). Not everyone falls into these two categories, true. But, there seems to be a larger percent of both verses just a thief, or just an average Joe who could throw a mean right hook only if provoked. The correlation is that each demographic seems to 'feed' or create more of the other. The sheeple make great targets that encourage a free for all by the Neo-Socio's. And the more the acts of the N-Ss are reported, the more the sheeple look to others (ie, .govt, leo, etc) for protection. That generation of sheeple raises a generation of dependents, and the monsters create and train even more heartless monsters.

    That small percentage that doesnt fall into either camp are probably who you find in here: good folks who have decided to survive the monsters w tools at hand. Most, I hope, have given some thought to how to deal w the predators you have provided in your link above. That requires they (our people), tho decent look down into their soul, and find the violence that makes them capable of using tools, or just hands if necessary, to overcome the monster that may one day threaten their life.

    Just my ramblings, looking foreward to others' response.

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    JD oustanding insight. You are right and somehow we need to break that cycle of breeding sheeples or at least train that mentallity out of them.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Doing what I can. Have told my kids there is no "too much" violence they can use if they are in fear of not coming home. And am teaching them the use of what tools may be at hand, and sending them to training for times when just hands may be all they have. Mainly emphasizing to dish out everything they have w extreme prejudice when we are talking about their safety and well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    JD oustanding insight. You are right and somehow we need to break that cycle of breeding sheeples or at least train that mentallity out of them.
    ^^^^^^BUT HOW???????^^^^^^^^^

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    .These are the same people who live in their own little bubbles, and see something happen to someone on the evening news, or read about it on the net, but somehow dissassociate themselves from it.
    They rationalize it somehow, as follows.
    Yes, bad things happen to good people, (somehow akin to, I play the lottery but never win, so it'll never happen to me).
    Not realizing the odds of winning the lottery is something like 175 million to one, and being involved in a violent crime in this country, is like 460-something in 100,000.
    Stupid is as stupid does



    An armed criminal will kill an unarmed citizen with monotonous regularity.
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    Do I have what it takes? The USMC showed me plenty of ways of neutralizing the enemy. Using a firearm in order to do that IMO is the easiest, most effective, and usually the quickest way out of all of them. The only difference now is that the enemy might not be so foreign.

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    Before I ever thought about purchasing a firearm (and I never even handled a firearm in the first 66 years of my life), I looked in the mirror at myself and understood that I will NEVER be a sheep--and that goes for perps, and the socialist/fascist government that is currently taking shape in this country. I have studied history and am aware that some of my relatives most likely never felt that germany in the 30's would ever culminate in their sheepish demise--after all they were germans just like everyone else. I am an american just like everyone else but the hairs on my back are standing up these days everytime I learn about a new government takeover--it continually sounds like the 30s to me and I will not be a sheep. I practice and I know I am not the best---I understand my limitations, but they do not include a sheep mentality.

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    Guys outstanding points. There is no easy answer to untrain years of attitude and training out of those who are victims but we have to keep trying. Invite them over show them the videos or show them the site. Take them shooting, something. If we can enough seeds maybe they will grow.
    RamRod you are right I also received that training and continued on with that training and more. I taught, spoke to, preached at anyone who would listen. Some I got through to some I didn't but the material was there.
    Kelcarry my hat is off to you sir, you have seen and lived history and now through your insight can tell us it is repeating itself. To not feel the threat or need to carry a firearm for 66 years and then have that realization hit is a statement we all need to listen to.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Unfortunately for most of us......a preditor the likes of the BG in the video would most likely "Eat Your Lunch". The average Joe is way not prepaired for that type of individual because the average Joe is not subjected to people like this on a daily basis and has no clue.

    After 18 yrs. working in Newark, NJ back then I had one creed I lived by....If they get mean, I get meaner.......never back down.....it was the law of the asphalt jungle back then and save my arse a few times along with my S&W Model 36 Chief Special.

    If you show weakness, the preditiors will eat you alive........Fact.

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    Great post and video. Thanks for putting it up!

    Admitting to yourself that evil exists is the first step for facing it. Unfortunately, too many people choose to live in conscious denial. We have found that most often this is a result of the fact that, deep down, they know that they do not have the skill or knowledge to deal with a threat. Because they are not prepared, they choose the "ignorance is bliss" road and choose to live in "Condition White".

    This is unfortunate because most attacks really can be avoided with good situational awareness and the fundamental knowledge of how to evaluate people and situations as well as what to do about danger if you see it.

    Computer security expert Bruce Schneier likes to say that "security is a process not a product" and the same holds true for personal security. Personal security and safety starts long before an actual self-defense situation develops. Even in combat zones, most of the situations that I've seen go bad on defense missions resulted from a fundamental break down of good situational awareness and security procedure combined with a series of poor decisions.

    Guns/weapons are great tools, but mindset, awareness, assessment and avoidance are much more important for staying safe....or that's my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Unfortunately for most of us......a preditor the likes of the BG in the video would most likely "Eat Your Lunch". The average Joe is way not prepaired for that type of individual because the average Joe is not subjected to people like this on a daily basis and has no clue.

    After 18 yrs. working in Newark, NJ back then I had one creed I lived by....If they get mean, I get meaner.......never back down.....it was the law of the asphalt jungle back then and save my arse a few times along with my S&W Model 36 Chief Special.

    If you show weakness, the preditiors will eat you alive........Fact.
    YEP.... well said.

    I'm amazed at how many think they will have time to "think", or evaluate, analyze and decide... lol... NONE. I'm also amazed at how many think if they are situationally aware, they will see it coming. Maybe, but I've been in and seen many situations that I don't care how aware you are, you often won't see "it" coming. You can only try to be prepared for anything. And in those situations, it's how quick your reactions are that will decide how you come out of it. AT least with these types anyway. I've chased, caught, fought, and dealt with too many of them... and seen too many of the things they can do to someone without any thought about it at all. Therefore, I don't under-estimate anything.

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    Excellent thread topic AND contributions by all above.

    Agreed completely and I have basically nothing to add that has not been said.
    This is the real world, and do not be mistaken to think oh that's just in the 'city' or that's just among the <fill in the blank> minority or those people don't live among 'My' community.
    I too do not care for the 'sheeple' term but for this specific thread and subject matter the term is appropriate.
    My wife is one of them...As per a discussion we'd had today about crime and criminality. She still doesn't get it, and after 16 yrs. now of me preaching same it's most logical to assume she never will.

    Thus we all stay on point as best we can, for all our childrens kids sake.
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    I try to go to as much training as I can when I am stateside and over here I get to train with some of the best in the world. One of the first things we need to do as a whole is try to eliminate the mindset of mere possession of a weapon equals security. So many times on here and other forums people assume that the mere presence of a weapon will resolve the situation and they are the hero. You can own a Ferrari but if you dont know how to drive it is a pretty lawn ornament.
    We have to start small so to speak and get people to realize what they are up against. Start on here bring it up at every chance. If we have to shame someone to get them going hell do it if it will help save their life. Its a start anyway, some will listen some will continue on waiting to be a victim.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    At the same time don't forget the mere possession of a weapon can equal a level of security, maybe for the majority of SD situations encountered. The mindset that works in a warzone, can also lead to a murder charge in your local neighborhood. When you are a soldier you have a very different set of objectives and ROE then a civilian mowing the grass.

    You have to also consider who are the elite of the predators. When we watch these videos, you may very well survive those type of predators not with a warrior mind set, but the tactics of a smarter than an average goat, sheep, gazel, etc. Even if you are a lion, there may be something hunting you, and the claws and teeth will not do the trick.

    Balance is important, and while you will want to be prepared for every SHTF situation, the reality is to do so may mean you have lived 99% of your life not smelling the roses.

    Great information provided in thread, but avoidance is an important component (as others might say, just don't be the easy target).
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    Absolutely have to shift gears when out of the hot zone no arguement there. The mere possession of a weapon can give the illusion or misguided sense of security but if you do not know how to use it or have the willingness to use it, it is merely a chunk of metal.
    A bad guy confronts you and sees a that you are armed and are confident in your abilities yes he will take the better part of valor and leave most times but depending on what is influencing his mind at the moment may just as easily draw his own weapon and force you to engage or test your resolve.
    Those without the proper mindset and willingness can have all the teeth and claws they want but they are will still end up the victim.
    Thanis good post and thoughts.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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