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    US Training Center's Tactical Pistol

    I leave today for my first true class. I have 5 days of shooting ahead of me and a Glock, a 9mm Kimber and 3000rds in the truck (If there is a fire I am running).

    I hope to learn a lot and I will share my thoughts here.


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    Must post an 'after-class' report.......with pics! ;)
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    No doubt. Take your camera...we want pics and a detailed report.
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    Keep us posted, I wanted to take that calss this fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Buckeye View Post
    I leave today for my first true class. I have 5 days of shooting ahead of me and a Glock, a 9mm Kimber and 3000rds in the truck (If there is a fire I am running).

    I hope to learn a lot and I will share my thoughts here.
    Was there ever a followup to this?

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    I didn't post it on this site... Sorry

    I took the Tactical Pistol 1 course June 7th-11th and would highly suggest this course to anyone that has not taken a course before. My class consisted of 5 people, 1 person had taken the basic pistol, the other 4 of us had never had a pistol course of this nature before. Our experience included 1 guy that had never fired a pistol before, a NYPD plain clothes officer, 1 year of shooting w/ a couple of IDPA events (Me), and two other average shooters like me.

    There is not a good description of the course online so none of us knew what to expect, but it was well thought out and built nicely each day, as follows

    The first day there was about 3 hours in the classroom reviewing information about the facility, 4 rules of gun safety, 7 fundamentals of marksmanship, Col Cooper’s color codes of readiness. Then at the range before lunch we did a few minutes on gear placement, covered range commands, and did couple sight picture drills. After lunch we worked though the fundamentals.

    Thursday was the night shoot (until 10pm)and we did most of it in the shoot house and Friday afternoon was the Rogers range. The rest of the week we worked through all of the following and more.

    Draw
    • Open Carry
    • Concealed Carry
    • Open Carry – SHO
    • Concealed Carry – SHO

    Grip
    • Two Hand
    • One Hand Only

    Ready Positions
    • High ready
    • Low Ready
    • Entry Ready
    • High Port

    Shooting Positions
    • Isosceles
    • Kneeling
    • Prone
    • Rollover Prone
    • Moving
    • Forward
    • Backward
    • Side to Side

  10. Sight Alignment
    Sight Picture
    Breathing
    Trigger Press
    Reload
    • Emergency (Slide Lock)
    • Strong Hand Only
    • Support hand only
  • Tactical

  • Follow Through
    Shooting Multiple Targets
    • Selecting target
    • Transitioning between targets

    Shooting a Moving Target
    • Tracking
    • Ambush

    Cover
    • Vertical
    • Horizontal
    • Low
    • Movement to Cover

    Malfunction Clearance
    • Soft Malfunction
    • Hard Malfunction

    White Light
    • Discipline
    • Techniques
    • Modified FBI
    • Neck Index
    • Rogers
    • Harries


    I am a voracious reader on topics that interest me and very little was completely new, in fact Magpul's "Art of the Dynamic Handgun" covers > 80% of the material that was verbally taught (although there are differences of opinion). The advantage of this course is in the interaction with the instructors (being able to discuss the advantages of one technique over another), the drills, learning your gear, and tips that aren't covered in the "lecture" portion.

    My biggest learnings were:

    • How reliable a Glock is (2500rds in 5 days no cleaning and no stopages)
    • How to avoid common training scars
    • How bad a sight picture can really be to get an 8" group
    • Most Glocks shoot left, it wasn't me
    • Rolling my elbow out just a hair helps me manage recoil
    • My light is too bright for me in most applications with a gun
    • A good concealment holster (MTAC or VM2) cost me about .3 secs on the draw due to my ability to get a good grip
    • I ride an extended slide stop and shouldn't put on on my gun
    • I need to be more focused when I go to the range and "Train" rather than "Shoot"
    • New drills to work on specific skills


    I highly recommend everyone seek additional training and believe that this course should be considered for even a VERY new shooter.

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    Could you elaborate on "how to avoid common training scars"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Buckeye View Post
    I didn't post it on this site... Sorry

    I took the Tactical Pistol 1 course June 7th-11th and would highly suggest this course to anyone that has not taken a course before. My class consisted of 5 people, 1 person had taken the basic pistol, the other 4 of us had never had a pistol course of this nature before. Our experience included 1 guy that had never fired a pistol before, a NYPD plain clothes officer, 1 year of shooting w/ a couple of IDPA events (Me), and two other average shooters like me.

    There is not a good description of the course online so none of us knew what to expect, but it was well thought out and built nicely each day, as follows

    The first day there was about 3 hours in the classroom reviewing information about the facility, 4 rules of gun safety, 7 fundamentals of marksmanship, Col Cooper’s color codes of readiness. Then at the range before lunch we did a few minutes on gear placement, covered range commands, and did couple sight picture drills. After lunch we worked though the fundamentals.

    Thursday was the night shoot (until 10pm)and we did most of it in the shoot house and Friday afternoon was the Rogers range. The rest of the week we worked through all of the following and more.

    Draw
    • Open Carry
    • Concealed Carry
    • Open Carry – SHO
    • Concealed Carry – SHO

    Grip
    • Two Hand
    • One Hand Only

    Ready Positions
    • High ready
    • Low Ready
    • Entry Ready
    • High Port

    Shooting Positions
    • Isosceles
    • Kneeling
    • Prone
    • Rollover Prone
    • Moving
    • Forward
    • Backward
    • Side to Side

  • Sight Alignment
    Sight Picture
    Breathing
    Trigger Press
    Reload
    • Emergency (Slide Lock)
    • Strong Hand Only
    • Support hand only
    • Tactical

    Follow Through
    Shooting Multiple Targets
    • Selecting target
    • Transitioning between targets

    Shooting a Moving Target
    • Tracking
    • Ambush

    Cover
    • Vertical
    • Horizontal
    • Low
    • Movement to Cover

    Malfunction Clearance
    • Soft Malfunction
    • Hard Malfunction

    White Light
    • Discipline
    • Techniques
    • Modified FBI
    • Neck Index
    • Rogers
    • Harries


    I am a voracious reader on topics that interest me and very little was completely new, in fact Magpul's "Art of the Dynamic Handgun" covers > 80% of the material that was verbally taught (although there are differences of opinion). The advantage of this course is in the interaction with the instructors (being able to discuss the advantages of one technique over another), the drills, learning your gear, and tips that aren't covered in the "lecture" portion.

    My biggest learnings were:

    • How reliable a Glock is (2500rds in 5 days no cleaning and no stopages)
    • How to avoid common training scars
    • How bad a sight picture can really be to get an 8" group
    • Most Glocks shoot left, it wasn't me
    • Rolling my elbow out just a hair helps me manage recoil
    • My light is too bright for me in most applications with a gun
    • A good concealment holster (MTAC or VM2) cost me about .3 secs on the draw due to my ability to get a good grip
    • I ride an extended slide stop and shouldn't put on on my gun
    • I need to be more focused when I go to the range and "Train" rather than "Shoot"
    • New drills to work on specific skills


    I highly recommend everyone seek additional training and believe that this course should be considered for even a VERY new shooter.
    Thanks for the report-much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Buckeye View Post
    [*]Most Glocks shoot left, it wasn't me
    I've thought this too. How did this course confirm it for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Buckeye View Post
    [*]I need to be more focused when I go to the range and "Train" rather than "Shoot"
    I have been telling my friends this for years. We need to train, not just target shoot. I like to train, but I am finding out most don't.

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    Speaking with the instructor. Over the course of the week myself and 1 other student had to move our sights. Both instructors had their sights drifted right and the rented range gun did as well. The instructor shot my gun before I moved the sights and and shot a nice tight group in the middle of my pattern about 2in left of COM at 15 yrds. That confirmed it for my gun at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cammo girl View Post
    Could you elaborate on "how to avoid common training scars"....
    Mainly it is understanding that what you do in "practice" is what you will do on game day. Do you draw casually from concealment? Do you catch your mags so they don't get dirty? Do you fire 2 shots, drop to low ready and look at your hits? Do you let the gun sit empty after you finish your string? Do you get the gun up into your line of sight EVERYTIME you reload? Do you grab the mag from your belt to speed reload? When you drop something do pick it up with your eyes down range? Do you use cover correctly? When you dry fire are you conditioning yourself to accept a "click".

    A couple of common stories you hear about this is...

    1) The police that find empty brass in their pockets after a gunfight because they were conditioned to pick it up.

    2) The soldier that is a paraplegic because after a standard response he did his speed reload low rather than keeping his eyes up and being shot by the guy he just "Killed"

    3) My favorite, the guy that practiced handgun disarms constantly, when he actually needed to do it he artfully took the gun away, pointed it at the bad guy and then handed it back to him.

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