Gloves, thanks for sharing this technique. It is my opinion that these are the important things that make a difference. This type of thing goes hand in hand with the FBI's study of the shorting out effect that refusing to comply with orders has on the felons brain, which gives you a window of oppurtunity to act before they can react.
All about OODA disruption. If you bump him back to Observe he'll have to cycle thru Orient and Decide before he can Act. You use that time to execute your plan and alot can be done before he can react to it...
Yes. Good stuff here. Worthy of close study. I used to study with another Master after class was over. We'd lock the door pull the shades, and bring out the handguns. It was quite a learning experience for two experienced martial artists to introduce a new element. Some techniques transferred very well, others not so well.
Timing is critical as is not telegraphing moves. I have to agree that if my assailant was stupid enough to get within striking distance I would probably choose not to waste time with my weapon. Of course, the first casualty of battle is the plan!
I like the concept of indexing to prevent shooting yourself. I well-thought-out technique-thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
I know this is an old thread, but since it was referenced recently here http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...highlight=DATD I wanted to revive it to point out something that wasn't mentioned.
There was some question about the need to close in, blade and CONTROL the gun hand of the BG. While the Tom Cruise scene posted shows what look like pretty sound tactics, the point being missed is that those 2 shots applied to the BG were immediately effective. He fell backward and dropped his weapon. He did this because it's a movie and that's what he was supposed to do. In real life, with handguns, there is just as strong a chance that he would turn and run or worse, continue to try to get his gun back in the fight and you wouldn't even know that you'd hit him. This is how it works in real life folks. There are no guarantees of what a person will do. There are too many variables. For myself, when practicing this particular scenario, I will make every effort to control the gun hand and blade my stance, IOT minimize my chances of being shot.
Guantes, Thank you for posting this and patiently answering people's questions. This is very informative and it's hard to find such credible assistance surfing the web.
Another reference to this thread and I have a comment.
Having some basic hand to hand training, if one has "control" of the assailants arm as in the video, dont let go. Follow him to the ground as mentioned in the original lesson. The reversal of the block eliminates the need to index, opens the bg as a larger target and allows shooting from the hip. The bg should react by pulling away while you are firing allowing you to ground, mount and then disarm the bg. If you zipper him with three or four shots he will undoubtedly go straight to the ground.
When I was a range office I would often check out the guys who have never shot in a competition before. From what I saw I can safely say that about 90% or more of gun owners cannot draw under the mild stress of someone timing or watching them. Unless someone has real world experience I would not recommend drawing on someone with a gun on you unless you are pretty sure that they are going to shoot you and even then I would try distraction or whatever I can to gain distance or cover to give me more time to draw my gun. I always carry a pocket gun, even if it is just an NAA, when I carry on my belt. That allows me to reach for a wallet or just casually stand there with my hand in my pocket ready to draw and shoot, or in the case of my snub nose, shoot through my pocket if I have to. With only about 1% of gun owners paying for professional training, I would think the odds of prevailing in a situation as you describe to be very low for most. In my hayday I could draw and hit 5 targets in under 2 seconds so it is possible if you train constantly or train and compete a lot. Now, I am happy if I can draw and hit one target in 3 seconds so I rely on deception and misdirection. As a former magician I know how to get people to look away. They cannot help themselves if you do it right. :)
Great post, thanks for referencing this topic. This added some other important ideas to my practices on this topic. Plus I learned some of the acronyms and buzz words too. After seeing the movie collateral you know I had to head down to the gun club and try that. I did learn the rotation of your body greatly improves the ability to clear your concealment effortlessly although sweeping across and striking their wrist brings that weak hand over near the muzzle which requires a little focus to prevent an accident. Bad thing about this move, if you miss their gun or wrist, you're screwed. I have to question if stepping offline is not a better approach but I was just having fun. This move is great for practicing your draw.
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In one of Ayoobs combat books I worked out a couple of scenarios where you close and control their weapon, press them against the wall then draw. I like the one where you grab the bad guys left rear armpit spinning them clockwise and then draw and shoot them in the back/side of the head. Even my small wife can pull this move on me. She switches hands and rides me around like a bronco and works like a charm. I would have to fire through my own body to hit her. And I practice this against my burly son who is 25 years younger and strong as an ox, fast as lightning.
Anyway I'll bookmark and read this topic and OP many times.
We had an off duty policeman employ this tactic against three armed offenders who tried to rob him as he was fueling his car in a gas station. He pulled his weapon and shot and killed the one who had his weapon pointed at him. The other two fled and were apprehended later.