The Secret of Circles

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    The Secret of Circles

    There are several possible angles of attack from a knife. All of these possible angles from a knife originate from linear [ straight ] lines.

    If one attempts to block these attacks of the straight line, the linear angle and power can overcome the defensive blocking types and push through [ continue ] on through to their intended target.

    Overhand attacks [ reverse grip ice pick types ] are the most powerful linear attack for most people and hard to stop with any type of blocking action. As such, women are more apt to naturally go to this type of attack as people just instinctually understand the force [ power ] generated by them.

    Slashes; stabs [ both to the high line above the nipple level and low line below that area to the body ] and overhand [ ice pick types ] of attacks are all delivered in linear lines of motion. These three lines of attack are the ones we'll see used against us, perhaps in varying forms of combinations if the assailant is knowledgeable enough.

    By attempting to get either forearm up to block the knife from getting into our core [ from reaching our body ] we give the assailant a closer target to cut or stab at. Accordingly, this is not going to be the best defense to use.

    If the assailant is versed in the ways of the blade, he'll readily take advantage of the opportunity we give him in attempting to block his attack, hoping that we extend the arm in an attempt to block the knife.

    When we attempt to block, we are attempting to stop the attack. If one has had any worthwhile defensive knife training, he/she knows that deflecting the attack is better than trying to stop the attack by blocking.

    Enter, the "secret of circles". One needs to know how to deflect using circling motions close to the body and not extend outward with the foream or hand. In concert with deflecting the blade it's also wise to know how to move the body off the line of attack and get out of the strike zone in the event the defensive actions are not successful.

    What most people fail to realize is that circling motions defeat the most powerful of linear motion. The power of the linear attack is not overcome but deflected away while moving the body off it's previous center. Moving ones body off it's present center line can be as simple as swiveling the hips and shoulders as well as in concert with moving the feet if time and distance permit us to do so.

    Six basic circling motions with the hands and/or forearms can give us a very good defense against the three linear lines of attack from the knife [ slash, stab and overhand ].

    Learning The Secret of Circles and these six to eight counters is crucial to minimizing or negating the damage we can suffer from a linear knife attack.

    My suggestion is to learn The Secret of Circles, protect the core at all times and take the assailants linear power away from him. Over the holiday weekend I instructed a student in the unarmed circling defenses mentioned here as well as the double sticks. single stick and other weapons platforms. Once the circles are part of your defense, once you know how to use them within the "collapsing startle response" I've spoken of in another thread, the concepts being ingrained at the subconscious level, the better one will be prepared for the world we live in today.
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    Weeg;

    It's just a little bit more involved than that sir.

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    Wow. Gotta think now. And maybe even get some instruction.

    Good post.

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    Weeg,

    It was funny, I hadn't thought of it in that way.

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    Most attackers deploy their knife at the last minute regardless so it's hard to protect against a weapon that is only produced when the attack is being committed. There is no guy/gal standing 21ft away with a knife in hand screaming "I'm gonna bleed you like a pig!" no-one can say exactly what defense they will use except whatever it takes to get that nut off of me so I can place some well aimed shots.
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    Al.40cal;

    Thats why we use the collapsing startle response [ http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...apsing+startle ] to protect the bodies core leading directly into a circling/deflective defenses.

    The two [ CSR ] and [ circle defenses ] allow one to protect the core at being startled and then work the deflection defenses instead of ones normal instincts to open up and take killing shots.

    You are correct it is hard to defend, thats why the training is so important so that we can either minimize or negate the damage.

    Edited to add: I was training a class in Tucson last Oct where a student asked me a question and another student took the opportunity to slash at me with a trainer. Not expecting it, didn't see the arm coming until it was right in my face as I was turned away from the attacker, the collpasing startle response coupled with a slashing defense using the circles kept the blade off my body core and was passed away from me without even thinking. I never stopped answering the others question at the same time.

    This was caught on tape at the time it happened, it makes very interesting viewing in slow motion. I barely get the collapsing startle into play but it worked perfectly.

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    First I am trained in knife defense and know that the body is made of circles, but I will tell you this I will always, always, always get distance between myself and the attacker because as we all know knives are nasty irregardless of who has it.

    Get distance, running, or however you can, and if possible shoot. Now more than likely this will be hard to do if the person is real intent on putting a few holes in you. Then, if you have it use your knife defense skills, but expect to get cut. Best way to avoid any confrontation that places you lower than your attacker on the power grid is to be always be aware of your surroundings and remember how important it is for you to get home. Thus, don't hesitate attack if need be and remove all thought from your mind.
    Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....

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    all good stuff - thanks for the thread Az...

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    BlueLion;

    Good thought process, but the time it happens to be upon you without notice, the distance you suggest you'll always make may not be an option in time or space. Better to have alternatives in responses for when those times happen to you IMO.

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