What the devil is an "Admin Reload"?

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Originally Posted by Old School

So he starts off with an empty weapon holstered with no magazine, draws and points down range then inserts a fresh magazine and chambers a round and reholsters and that is their definition of an administrative reload is that correct ? The reason I ask is because I do not understand the reason for pointing the empty weapon down range prior to the reload.

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I was at work when I posted that so I wasn't able to review the video to remind myself what was what...

Now that I am at home, I realize I was wrong...I'm reviewing the Art of the Dynamic Handgun DVD right now...

Three types of reloads...

Admin
Tactical
Speed

Admin is loading an empty gun to put it in service...
Tactical is topping off a gun with a fresh magazine...
Speed is emptying a gun to slide lock and feeding it a full magazine...

YouTube - Admin Reload

YouTube - Tac reload

I can't find a YouTube video for their Speed Reload...

To answer your question Old School, if you watch the whole DVD...in the beginning he talks about his preference for every time his gun leaves the holster of going through the motions of full extension and acquiring a sight picture. Basically it's dry run practice every time he comes out of the holster no matter what...

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Originally Posted by Old School

I will explain how my agency does it. When firearms are inspected ( we use the Glock-21 and 36) the weapon is left in the holster and the magazine is removed and placed on a table containing a snail bullet trap. The weapon is then removed from the holster and the muzzle placed into the bullet trap. The slide is then racked and locked open ejecting the live round from the chamber. The round is shown to the inspecting officer and placed on the table next to the magazine. After the inspection the pistol is returned to the holster. The magazine is inserted into the holstered pistol. The pistol is then removed from the holster, the muzzle placed into the bullet trap, the slide is pulled to the rear and released chambering a round. The pistol is then placed back into the holster and secured. The magazine is removed, the round originally removed from the pistol is replaced into the magazine and the magazine is then replaced into the holstered pistol.

Administrative unload and reload. This may vary from agency to agency. This came about with my department because of a neglegent discharge during a weapons inspection a few years ago.

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^^^^ What he said. The You Tube video shows a "slide forward" load, not an Administrative load. If the gun ain't in the holster it ain't "Administrative".

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Originally Posted by Paladin3840

^^^^ What he said. The You Tube video shows a "slide forward" load, not an Administrative load. If the gun ain't in the holster it ain't "Administrative".

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You might want to take another look at what Old school posted. The gun does come out of the holster.

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Originally Posted by Harryball

You might want to take another look at what Old school posted. The gun does come out of the holster.

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When the magazine is inserted into or removed from the magazine well the gun is in the holster.

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Originally Posted by Paladin3840

When the magazine is inserted into or removed from the magazine well the gun is in the holster.

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Then please tell me what you think of this..

YouTube - Administrative Handgun Load

I was a range safety officer for many of day and this one is new to me. I read the post and watched the clip that explains it but frankly, it sounds silly. I guess I'm just getting too old for this craft.

A traditional Administrative Reload is accomplished while the firearm is holstered.
The mag release is pressed while the firearm is holstered. The "In Gun" magazine is stripped & replaced with a fully stoked magazine.
The purpose of an Admin Reload is to be a magazine check & not a firearm chamber status check.
It is to make certain that there is fully stoked magazine inserted in the firearm mag well while the firearm remains holstered.

Just to clarify, my answer was more in reference to long guns, more specifically M-16s and M-4s, in military parlance.

To me, and I am just speaking for me, a tactical reload is any reload that occurs during the moment in time when a reload is feasible, that results in your firearm going back to a max ammo loaded capacity. If that moment occurs after you have fired say half a magazine, then that is when that moment to top off occurs.

" I will explain how my agency does it." "

"When firearms are inspected....."

" This may vary from agency to agency........"

Obviously many different interpetations of the term.

OS

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Originally Posted by Old School

" I will explain how my agency does it." "

"When firearms are inspected....."

" This may vary from agency to agency........"

Obviously many different interpetations of the term.

OS

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^^^^^This...^^^^^^

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Originally Posted by QKShooter

A traditional Administrative Reload is accomplished while the firearm is holstered.
The mag release is pressed while the firearm is holstered. The "In Gun" magazine is stripped & replaced with a fully stoked magazine.
The purpose of an Admin Reload is to be a magazine check & not a firearm chamber status check.
It is to make certain that there is fully stoked magazine inserted in the firearm mag well while the firearm remains holstered.

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This is what I always thought a administrative reload to be. Old School's description to me would be more of a administrative inspection.

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Originally Posted by Harryball

Then please tell me what you think of this..

YouTube - Administrative Handgun Load

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My introduction to the Administrative procedure previously described was in 1993. It is therefore not new, but clearly not a universal procedure.

So I think he did a slide forward load, then administratively removed the magazine, toped it off, and administratively reinserted the magazine.

But when you are Clint Smith, you can do that and call it whatever you like.
As a practical matter it don't matter as long as the shooter and the Range Officer calling the line have the same understanding of terminology.

I guess that is the more modern & revised definition of an Administrative Reload.
Which is fine with me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpSu0c-tLo

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Originally Posted by QKShooter

I guess that is the more modern & revised definition of an Administrative Reload.
Which is fine with me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpSu0c-tLo

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Ive posted this twice.

Paladin, You are right about Clint. LOL. I think he sums it up well. Most LEOs may view it different, but for us civvies CLints way works just fine.