Disrespect for Another Manís War Bag I

Disrespect for Another Manís War Bag I

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    Disrespect for Another Manís War Bag I

    06/26/2011

    Disrespect for another Manís War Bag

    By Roger Phillips Suarez International Specialist and Tier One Instructor


    I have been studying the art of living and killing since 1999. The one thing that I found to be most disconcerting in this extremely important study was the lack of common sense due to the dogmatic followings of many of the methodologies that I have studied. This lack of common sense usually all came down due to lack of context being applied to what is being discussed or trained.

    Context is everything!

    Without establishing the context of the subject matter there is no starting point, there is no bedrock foundation that a logical discussion or training can begin from. If a starting point is not established then thediscussion or training easily falls into the abyss of blind dogma and guru worship. This is where all common sense is thrown to the wayside and emotional rhetoric become the status quo.

    Read more here


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    I have two advanced degrees, one in engineering and one in business. I am 69 years old and had 40 years experience with a large engineering contracting concern. I consider myself well-schooled and well-educated with an ability to express myself in written and spoken word. I consider myself a gunowner who has a great deal to learn but believes what I have learned will serve me well given my circumstances in life and, what I consider to be, an above average and heightened sense of situational awareness. Having said all this and with all due respect, and I stress, the utmost respect for what appears to be a thoughtful treatise and introduction to self defense, I literally have no idea what is being said in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    I have two advanced degrees, one in engineering and one in business. I am 69 years old and had 40 years experience with a large engineering contracting concern. I consider myself well-schooled and well-educated with an ability to express myself in written and spoken word. I consider myself a gunowner who has a great deal to learn but believes what I have learned will serve me well given my circumstances in life and, what I consider to be, an above average and heightened sense of situational awareness. Having said all this and with all due respect, and I stress, the utmost respect for what appears to be a thoughtful treatise and introduction to self defense, I literally have no idea what is being said in this thread
    Did you read the link to the blog?

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    I think he's basically saying don't disrespect someone else's ideas about, or tools for self-defense (or life, for that matter). Their approach may be perfectly appropriate for the situations they are likely to encounter, and were likely chosen through personal experience...

    ...oh, and be sure and use SI for your training needs...

    That's what I took away from it anyway.
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    Kelcarry,

    A very simple example would be an instructor who used and taught a linear draw stroke dismissing and badmouthing a circular draw stroke without even observing its capabilities, whereas another instructor might observe its capabilities before making a judgement. In some things, it is the results, not the method that counts.

    Hi Roger.
    "I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    Kelcarry,

    A very simple example would be an instructor who used and taught a linear draw stroke dismissing and badmouthing a circular draw stroke without even observing its capabilities, whereas another instructor might observe its capabilities before making a judgement. In some things, it is the results, not the method that counts.

    Hi Roger.
    If it is not broke.....don't fix it.

    The hits are "truth!"

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    Yep, if in doubt throw a frag
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    I'd just toss a thermite grenade into the offending instructors war bag, melt all his stuff and tell him "I thought you said I had no use for these in my bag?", and call it good.



    Good post!
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    At Suarez International (SI) we mostly come from the context of the Civilian Defender. That is our bed rock foundation. Yet, we take what is useful from each of the other contextual issues and apply them where they fit inside of the fight continuum and the reality of the fight. As we are so often heard to say “The fight is going to be what the fight is going to be.” As a Civilian Defender that wants to be as deadly as he can possibly be, we must look at and take from all of the other contextual issues, so that we can assure ourselves to be as well rounded and versatile as we can possibly be.
    That seemed to me to be the gist of what the man was getting at.

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    Yes I read the blog and sure I understand the basic tenets being discussed, but the language is something out of an advanced high school or college english class (at least the kind of schools I went to many moons ago and not the watered-down excuses for english that are taught today). The old KISS method, IMO, is a better way to get across your point.

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    I'm with kelcarry on this one .... this guy writes from the thesaurus, figuring if ten or fifteen words will say it why waste paper with just five?
    I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
    If it is not broke.....don't fix it.

    The hits are "truth!"

    Some people can fight and some people can communicate; and it is rare to find a fighter who can express critcal elements in a comprehensible way consistsently.
    Roger might have said, "In my arguably expert opinion, context should be the focus of SD training to avoid the pitfalls of dogma: guru worship, emotional rhetoric, and abandoment of common sense as we pursue a practical but critical understanding."
    IMO, SI offers sometimes thought-provoking if not PC ("art of living and killing"?) or presumptuous ("Doodley Doo Right"? - what about individual context?) or great training, but, as a representative of SI, the OP should take time to boil his thoughts down to something more in line with general SI communication, and bear in mind that people are evaluating SI by his association.
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    Roger, the first paragraph is a "doozy".
    One tip I would offer is to keep tense and voice consistent within each paragraph and not move between past and present and passive and active in the same paragraph.
    If unsure, see if a sentence stands on its own.
    No doubt Roger has a lot to teach, and the link is a good example that I understand.
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstoneís Commentaries 145Ė146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    OK, I see what Gabe is doing, and to a degree it's a faux paradigm. He's trying to 'elevate' his knowledge-base above his contemporaries' by using big words to ascribe 'higher principles' to his cogitations. It gives the appearance of erudition without the substance he believes he's added. However, he does have some good concepts, he just needs to simplify.

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    My heavens. Outside of bigmac and I, I think I am in some kind of time warp with a bunch of doctoral honorees in English. I gotta tell you guys, you sure have a way with words.
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    I just read the link and I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

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