Evolution of Combat Pistol Technique

Evolution of Combat Pistol Technique

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    Lightbulb Evolution of Combat Pistol Technique

    Been there, saw it and got a bunch of OLD T-Shirts to prove it...

    Enjoy the history lesson!

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    Very interesting! I am going to try that myself. Thanks for posting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Very interesting! I am going to try that myself. Thanks for posting!
    I think I am too.
    I have some health & pain issues similer to what he described. Maybe, this maight help.

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    Jeff Cooper had the slight bend in his right elbow due to an injury that prevented him from locking the right elbow straight.

    Then people started to emulated that without ever asking why.

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    Cool

    I delegate to the OFF HAND the brunt of the chore of recoil management. Recoil Control is all in the OFF HAND wrist lock. It's explained here:

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    The photo was taken at the 1981 IPSC Nationals. It's the Man vs. Man Shoot Off finals between the Top 16 finishers. Recognize any of the guys or their technique?

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    Very interesting, thank you for the history lesson. That gives me somethings to experiment with when I go to the range.

    A question though, seeing as I am a relatively young pup when it comes to age. I was always under the impression that the Weaver stance was more along the lines of the "cup and saucer" technique when it comes to how the hands are positioned. And that was done with the theory that the non-dominant are was supposed to off a bit more flesh in front of the torso, since the bladed stance exposed the side. And then the modified weaver changed both the arm positions, and hold on the gun. So where does the "cup and saucer" fit into the picture here? No disrespect intended, you have been competitively shooting since before I was born, I am just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye .45 View Post
    I was always under the impression that the Weaver stance was more along the lines of the "cup and saucer" technique when it comes to how the hands are positioned
    Jack Weaver, and the Weaver Stance.



    Shortly before he passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Jack Weaver, and the Weaver Stance.



    Shortly before he passed.

    Thanks OD, I was really just curious, as that was a piece of knowledge I had stuck in my head from somewhere, not entirely sure where it came from. So where did that darn cup and saucer technique come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye .45 View Post
    So where did that darn cup and saucer technique come from?
    IMO, it came from Hollywood, I can't say I've ever seen any real shooters use it (that I remember, anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    IMO, it came from Hollywood, I can't say I've ever seen any real shooters use it.

    I can believe that, as I have never seen anyone effectively use it either, although I have seen a fair number (by and large new shooters) of people try. Just trying to expand my knowledge base some.

    And for the record OD, I do not shoot from the cup and saucer technique, although really, offhand on a KD range with an M-16 is similar for some shooters. Maybe I can find a picture to add, but even with myself, the left elbow would be resting in my hip pocket or on a full mag pouch, with the arm up and down, and my wrist bent backwards in the vicinity of the slip ring. But that was a qualifying range only stance, and has nothing to do with the evolution of combat handgunning, so, back to combat handgunning.

    DRM, do you know anything about where that technique came from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye .45 View Post
    And for the record OD, I do not shoot from the cup and saucer technique, although really, offhand on a KD range with an M-16 is similar for some shooters.
    Never thought you did, sir. And you are correct, many rifle competitors do use a similar hold.
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    Good stuff. Thanks for posting.
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    Well,I'm not ashamed to say,If I see an instructor's method,and like it,I will use it in a class,so i'm stealing parts of this,Thanks DRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRM View Post
    I delegate to the OFF HAND the brunt of the chore of recoil management. Recoil Control is all in the OFF HAND wrist lock. It's explained here:

    I'm having trouble understanding how the off hand manages recoil, other then for controlling muzzle rise. With no part of the off hand actually behind the gun, does this technique rely on the off hand tightly gripping the strong hand to direct recoil into the off hand and arm? Or am I misunderstanding something?
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