"Mozambique" versus "Failure to Stop"

This is a discussion on "Mozambique" versus "Failure to Stop" within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 40Bob It is child's play to place an aimed headshot at 7 yards on a paper target from the weaver or isosceles ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    It is child's play to place an aimed headshot at 7 yards on a paper target from the weaver or isosceles stance, try it running and diving for cover with an adrenaline dump in progress. A little drill we did in one SWAT school I attended was this: Run 1/4 mile in a gas mask, right up to the firing line, peel the mask off and begin the combat course. Try to make aimed shots sucking air.....
    Another good test is, use a cheapy remote control car, tie a balloon to it's antenna, and have a partner stand behind you and "drive" the car towards you. It ain't as easy making head-shots as some would have you believe, even without being out of breath.
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    The theory behind the Mozambique drill, as I understand it, was that if two shots to center mass did not have the desired effect, than there was no reason to think two or three more shots would. Jim Cirillo and the others in the stakeout squad certainly had good results with pelvic shots (granted some of them were using M1 carbines) and there have been many accounts of BG's taking a large number of torso shots and matters finally being settled with a head shot (or two). While combat shooting may be evolving, I see no reason to discount the tried and true Mozambique drill.

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    I understand the theory, I am not advocating shooting 2 shots, reassess fire 2 more. I am saying shoot them to the ground, whether that takes 2 shots or 15.
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    The idea behind the head shot as well was an instant incapacitating shot. The pelvis is however a great area of the body due to the massive amount or arterial bleeding produced. In a stressfull situation i would have to agree on taking the pelvis shot as well. However, i think that if you continue to shoot center mass until the BG is down, it is quicker and easier under pressure.

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    Lightbulb "Ah, to assess, or not to assess? That is the question..."

    Disclaimer: At the Tactical Shooting Academy we don't teach you when to shoot, we teach you how to shoot, once the decision to use lethal force has been made...by you.

    As far as whether to assess or not goes, we offer the "Dealers Choice" option. This is where YOU decide how many C.O.M shots to deal out to the Bad Guy(s) before going for the head(s).

    But a lot of this really depends on how fast you can shoot while moving.

    Assuming that we are talking about the fight starting at "Bad Breath Distance" (possibly the most common, worst case scenario), the whole idea of shooting at C.O.M. 1st is to get shots on target FIRST, which hopefully will buy you enough time to make some distance (even if it's just a few steps off line to the side or to the rear).

    Once you have enough space (so that you can safely extend the gun up and out to eye level without being disarmed) then hopefully, you can use the sights on the smaller, moving, more difficult head shot, to finally stop the threat from being a threat...Well...that's the plan anyway.

    But as always, let the situation dictate the tactics.
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    Excellent point, DR. It can be easy to "overestimate" your ability to get precision shots on a threat on a square range when failure just means you're "off the blue". Starting at "Bad Breath Distance" alone will throw a wrench in a default in-close/low ready to high ready transition by compelling movement.
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    Good shooting. And thanks for sharing the video.

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    I'd steer clear of either technique. While they work for the military... explaining either one could too easily tranlate to an exicution. Not saying I wouldnt do it... Just saying I wouldnt use either technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    Good shooting. And thanks for sharing the video.
    Thank you!

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    So, how long does should it take to access the situation anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRM View Post
    Needless to say, but with post engagement ballistic tests, if the attacker took a headshot from a downward trajectory (ie he was falling back or fell on his knees), you may be in a heap of trouble unless if he was still trying to engage you with a handgun from that position.

    Yeah, but some people shoot better from prone…
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRM View Post
    So, how long does should it take to access the situation anyway?
    This thread is degenerating into "my kung fu is better than yours"...surprisingly by someone with white hairs and years of experience.

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    Never understood the point. If you are so good that you can pull off the 3rd shot... Why not make 1 shot to the head? Lol

    Shoot 2 in his chest 'oh he's still moving, headshot! '

    Just put 1 bullet in his head and you saved 2 bullets...



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixTS View Post
    This thread is degenerating into "my kung fu is better than yours"...surprisingly by someone with white hairs and years of experience.
    I don't follow...

    It is a fact that some people shoot better from prone. By that I mean down does not always mean out. Just because the BG is down he still could be a threat. You need to evaluate...instantly and constantly.

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    Just put 1 bullet in his head and you saved 2 bullets...
    The head is a bit more difficult to hit than you might think, just ask a boxer.
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