Front Sight Firearms Training Institute Question

This is a discussion on Front Sight Firearms Training Institute Question within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Harryball This is why I would never attend, attitudes like this in the training industry IMO are bad for the students. The ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    This is why I would never attend, attitudes like this in the training industry IMO are bad for the students. The other issue is, fighting with a gun. Why is it so important to them to have you shoot like a marksman????
    Harryball it is not so you can shoot like a marksman, they want to know that you you know your way around your gun, holster, draw stroke and so on before you go on to an advanced class. When in an advanced class folks don't want to be standing around while an instructor helps a beginner.

    The class I took there were a bunch of folks that shot but asked not to be timed, there were some that just sat out during that portion. I found it to be fun and the time restrictions add a little stress. Again if that is not your thing you can sit out that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elk Hunter View Post
    Harryball it is not so you can shoot like a marksman, they want to know that you you know your way around your gun, holster, draw stroke and so on before you go on to an advanced class. When in an advanced class folks don't want to be standing around while an instructor helps a beginner.

    The class I took there were a bunch of folks that shot but asked not to be timed, there were some that just sat out during that portion. I found it to be fun and the time restrictions add a little stress. Again if that is not your thing you can sit out that part.
    There system IMO is wrong, we never look for the weekness in a student, only the positive, then we make adjustments from there. As far as there advanced class, it finishes were others begin. If you do not believe me, watch some of the magpul, dynamic handgun videos. The people in the video are nOObs and advanced shooters all in the same class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Elk Hunter. Connecting a screen name, email to a name is not that hard with the right system to do it with. On most applications it asks for your email address so it would be a simple matter of maintaining a database of users that you would not want to attend.

    The messages and emails that Piazza and I exchanged were not pleasant in the end was basically he wanted nothing further to hear from me nor my opinions and I was not welcome in his world. The more I researched him the more I disliked what I found. Some of his advertising scams make even a used car salesman cringe and that is what turns a lot of people away.
    If you have had good experiences there great. The training and instructors may be great for an entry level shooter but each dollar spent with this guy furthers his enterprises.

    I made no effort to hide my screen name or my email address from him so there is not doubt that he would remember me. He has filed suit against individuals that linked him to Scientology and gun forums such as Glocktalk which has a turbulent history with him. All you have to do is google his name or Front Sight and it will come up.

    Your offer is fantastic I hope someone takes you up on it. I offered a Tactical Response course to a member on here if he would go but it did not work out for him.
    tacman, I think we got a little more of the story here it wasn't your comments on a forum, sounds like it was the email exchange you had with him.

    As far as my email address being attached to my user name, I believe DC can match them up but not Front Sight, that is why we use the PM system. If I PM you, you don't see my email address.

    My offer is for the OP not the general public.

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    Elk Hunter, mine was a combination of both the emails and posts on a forum. Others were strictly posts on a forum.

    If I am not mistaken Front Sight was a supporter on here don't know whatever happened to that. I realize you offer was for the OP as was mine for one individual but it is a great gesture.
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    I've been getting spammed by them since I signed up to follow a potential CA push to put 'Shall Issue' up for vote on the CA ballot this year (the effort has since been withdrawn).

    I just went back through my email spam folder and looked over all the emails FS sent me on other training opportunities. There were quite a few (need to clean out the spam box more often).

    IMHO, it appears to be a fairly aggressive business model with the smell of multi-level marketing. I tend to stear clear of multi-level marketing type of people.

    As for the quality of training..... I have friends that have said both good and bad things about attending in NorCal. Most of the friends that said good things were not prior military or police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    I've been getting spammed by them since I signed up to follow a potential CA push to put 'Shall Issue' up for vote on the CA ballot this year (the effort has since been withdrawn).

    I just went back through my email spam folder and looked over all the emails FS sent me on other training opportunities. There were quite a few (need to clean out the spam box more often).

    IMHO, it appears to be a fairly aggressive business model with the smell of multi-level marketing. I tend to stear clear of multi-level marketing type of people.

    As for the quality of training..... I have friends that have said both good and bad things about attending in NorCal. Most of the friends that said good things were not prior military or police.
    It reminds me more of the "Time Share model" and I think I heard that there was condo developments he was planning.

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    Yep, condos, timeshares, a resort and so on.

    As far as I know they have never appeared.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    I feel the need to throw my $.02 worth in hopes of encouraging those that are looking for good firearms training.

    Yes, I am a Front Sight Diamond member. Yes, I do have extra memberships that I sell. Just thought I'd put that out there right up front for those that might say I have an ulterior motive. Putting that aside, the purpose of this post is to give you my personal opinion gained from my personal experience and the experience of 100% of the people I've talked with while actually training at FS.

    I fully endorse the training and opportunity provided for more advanced training offered by FS. I've only been 5 times since I became a member and it has been infinitely worth every penny and more. I've taken several handgun courses and the practical rifle course and have always come away a better shooter. It's a relaxed atmosphere, the instructors allow the student to proceed at their own pace, offering individual training where needed, and, above all, SAFETY is stressed continually. Not only safety in weapon handling, drawing from the holster and re-holstering, CCW demeanor and procedure, firearms in the community and responsibilities therein, but also range rules and procedures.

    I checked around a lot before buying into FS. There was a lot of negative press from folks that had never been there or went "knowing everything". There was also a lot of press from folks that had actually attended and were very positive. I convinced myself that I would be far better off buying the lifetime membership on the off-chance I would go to a couple of courses and call it even. I figured I couldn't go wrong.

    My background is in LE, meaning I actually carry a gun daily, and I went to FS "knowing everything" and figuring I had to get through this basic class before I could advance to the "real" stuff, the "stuff" worthy of my time. Unfortunately, I was wrong...I learned, much to my surprise, that I actually didn't know everything.

    From the first exposure, I began to see why there were so many good reviews from those who had actually attended at least one course. I began to realize that I was wrong in my negative stance and, at the end of the course, I was hooked. The training is spot on, practical, useful, and appropriate in this day and age. Is it perfect? No, but, then again, what is? I cannot think of one thing of substance that was taught wrong in any of my courses. Are there different ways of doing things? Of, course, and there's nothing taught at FS that keeps you from applying what you learn there to what works best for you. Personally, I discovered there were several things I had been doing "right" for years that during training, were proven to be wrong. By fine-tuning under the watchful eye of a dedicated instructor with "real-world" experience, my shooting and handling skills improved noticeably. The purpose of FS is to train anyone in the "comfort of arms" and they achieve this wonderfully. For those that want to continue to advance, FS is extremely well-equipped to handle this. They offer a multitude of advanced training courses to those that are qualified to advance by demonstrating weapons handling ability through a test at the end of the course. It's simple, if you score in the upper percentage, you can advance, if not, you need to stay at that level until you can demonstrate the ability to advance. Seems pretty logical to me. I find it difficult to believe that any student attending FS doesn't leave with a higher degree of weapons handling than they came with.

    Anyway, for those that are thinking about attending, I could not more highly recommend it. Don't listen to the naysayers and detractors, listen to the folks that have been there and can vouch for the training first hand.

    Oh, yeah, as to the marketing aspect of FS? Drives me crazy, too, so just ignore it. I'm a member for what I get from training so don't let the negative press keep you from gaining a "comfort at arms". You'll be glad you went.

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